Big 10 Report: Conference Realignment

[Mr. Laz]

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

[bowener]

I just wish all the conferences would openly decide that Notre Dame will not be invited to play in any of their conferences, and that if ND wishes to play their team they have to give them 85% of the ticket sales or more. The only teams left willing to play ND would be worthless teams or schools willing to take a small share of ND's home ticket sales.

I have always hated them and really want somebody to **** them over hard and choke them into doing something that forces them to compete on an even playing field.

[Mr. Plow]

From the thread on phog.net that I link earlier, someone did some research on some actual #'s to everything. I know it's not all schools. Again, I don't vouch for the validity of these #'s and I've bolded the schools that made more money in bball than football.


Conf - School - Football - Basketball - Total
ACC - Florida State - 24,877,536 - 8,041,986 - 74,417,324
ACC - Duke - 9,029,583 - 12,164,891 - 71,072,431
ACC - North Carolina - 24,163,760 - 20,437,565 - 70,152,767
ACC - Virginia - 20,210,563 - 8,625,868 - 67,141,170
ACC - Boston College - 20,711,067 - 8,655,208 - 64,157,876
ACC - Miami 27,155,010 - 7,467,284 - 61,969,808
ACC - Clemson - 35,205,168 - 8,203,566 - 60,167,535
ACC - Maryland - 13,980,823 - 12,034,287 - 59,966,862
ACC - Virginia Tech - 27,749,586 - 9,446,253 - 52,838,905
ACC - Georgia Tech - 22,830,766 - 9,874,133 - 48,061,053
ACC - NCSU - 21,772,446 - 11,200,990 - 46,491,105
ACC - Wake Forest - 10,346,081 - 8,795,947 - 44,649,063

Big 10 - Ohio State - 68,196,195 - 17,677,297 - 119,859,607
Big 10 - Penn State - 61,767,717 - 8,491,108 - 95,978,243
Big 10 - Michigan - 52,246,025 - 8,078,556 - 95,193,030
Big 10 - Wisconsin - 40,005,517 - 16,373,712 - 89,842,749
Big 10 - Iowa - 38,896,234 - 10,262,925 - 79,521,143
Big 10 - Michigan State - 43,506,725 - 16,371,480 - 75,624,811
Big 10 - Minnesota - 25,594,942 - 13,840,283 - 70,322,992
Big 10 - Indiana - 15,336,140 - 20,836,473 - 60,615,528
Big 10 - Purdue - 18,320,608 - 8,414,477 - 59,919,102
Big 10 - Illinois - 25,710,645 - 15,275,134 - 55,609,086
Big 10 - Northwestern - 23,951,794 - 9,350,817 - 48,582,384

Big 12 - Texas - 87,583,986 - 16,688,291 - 138,459,149
Big 12 - Oklahoma - 42,638,431 - 8,201,845 - 81,487,835
Big 12 - Nebraska - 55,226,605 - 6,992,258 - 74,881,383
Big 12 - Texas A&M - 38,358,422 - 10,034,769 - 72,886,100
Big 12 - Oklahoma State - 26,536,625 - 11,480,109 - 71,805,825
Big 12 - Kansas - 17,676,175 - 16,052,674 - 70,614,953
Big 12 - Missouri - 24,141,873 - 9,212,677 - 57,778,668
Big 12 - Colorado - 27,827,286 - 4,383,325 - 49,859,693
Big 12 - Baylor - 11,896,723 - 8,678,524 - 48,545,254
Big 12 - Kansas State - 21,378,813 - 6,421,047 - 47,399,903
Big 12 - Texas Tech - 23,581,188 - 8,226,607 - 46,632,263
Big 12 - Iowa State - 21,261,439 - 7,739,092 - 45,813,189

Big East - Connecticut - 13,520,096 - 13,354,428 - 58,495,408
Big East - Louisville - 18,962,150 - 26,606,755 - 58,023,326
Big East - West Virginia - 28,952,873 - 10,534,828 - 55,658,165
Big East - Rutgers - 19,738,023 - 8,698,689 - 54,304,756
Big East - Syracuse - 17,086,213 - 17,595,788 - 52,050,104
Big East - Pittsburgh - 20,494,743 - 12,186,116 - 45,830,364
Big East - South Florida - 14,154,015 - 3,290,609 - 37,855,971
Big East - Cincinnati - 11,460,935 - 6,668,930 - 35,027,102

CUSA - SMU - 11,121,190 - 5,160,728 - 35,386,090
CUSA - Memphis - 8,303,040 - 8,249,888 - 33,506,683
CUSA - Rice - 12,682,194 - 4,934,573 - 30,671,822
CUSA - East Carolina - 7,833,996 - 884,431 - 30,569,723
CUSA - UCF - 8,845,302 - 877,688 - 29,987,609
CUSA - Houston - 3,965,165 - 2,550,823 - 29,620,164
CUSA - Tulsa - 8,792,917 - 3,777,871 - 27,130,674
CUSA - UTEP - 10,229,709 - 4,678,940 - 22,990,846
CUSA - UAB - 5,853,300 - 3,958,516 - 22,620,615
CUSA - Tulane - 5,035,494 - 1,374,345 - 20,811,000
CUSA - Marshall - 6,859,758 - 3,705,784 - 20,040,935
CUSA - Southern Miss - 5,550,336 - 2,898,402 - 18,623,258

IND - Notre Dame - 56,929,397 - 4,125,385 - 81,088,368

MWC - Air Force - NA - NA - NA
MWC - TCU - 16,636,229 - 7,965,745 - 46,461,545
MWC - BYU - 12,520,065 - 4,185,841 - 35,628,193
MWC - San Diego State - 11,931,887 - 5,764,963 - 34,451,248
MWC - UNLV - 4,626,222 - 9,409,350 - 33,178,196
MWC - New Mexico - 7,961,505 - 6,063,177 - 31,990,662
MWC - Utah - 16,388,182 - 6,178,354 - 31,776,878
MWC - Wyoming - 8,792,537 - 3,763,385 - 24,671,158
MWC - Colorado State - 1,387,677 - 5,981,376 - 22,333,071

Pac 10 - USC - 35,203,483 - 4,055,114 - 80,151,282
Pac 10 - Stanford - 14,178,256 - 7,380,153 - 74,695,254
Pac 10 - California - 27,747,396 - 7,361,438 - 73,354,967
Pac 10 - UCLA - 26,640,759 - 12,112,966 - 66,177,866
Pac 10 - Washington - 34,177,030 - 10,038,192 - 60,575,780
Pac 10 - Oregon - 24,789,755 - 4,583,209 - 60,283,512
Pac 10 - Arizona State - 29,857,334 - 6,988,824 - 53,297,963
Pac 10 - Arizona - 20,927,253 - 17,863,928 - 51,822,629
Pac 10 - Oregon State - 30,874,059 - 4,503,174 - 50,211,404
Pac 10 - Washington State - 11,415,496 - 4,305,974 - 38,293,754

SEC - Florida - 66,150,063 - 10,206,047 - 108,309,060
SEC - Alabama - 64,606,392 - 9,053,059 - 103,934,873
SEC - LSU - 61,868,953 - 6,719,684 - 100,077,884
SEC - Tennessee - 42,805,360 - 16,372,528 - 92,524,125
SEC - Auburn - 58,618,819 - 7,522,011 - 87,001,416
SEC - Georgia - 65,218,406 - 8,041,443 - 81,496,357
SEC - South Carolina - 57,118,519 - 8,229,511 - 76,254,236
SEC - Kentucky - 26,143,126 - 15,086,245 - 72,057,751
SEC - Arkansas - 38,630,265 - 15,023,201 - 63,978,641
SEC - Vanderbilt - 18,564,940 - 12,706,365 - 45,582,274
SEC - Mississippi - 18,688,648 - 4,808,737 - 41,318,068
SEC - Miss State - 18,732,248 - 7,816,322 - 36,536,152

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Nothing about NU being the only one leaving makes sense. I would be floored if that happened.

True. MU has been super silent about this and if they knew that the Big 10 wasn't going to ask them then IMO it is not in their best interest to keep quiet.

[Pants]

Good post, Hutch. Thanks for the info.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Good post, Hutch. Thanks for the info.

I don't have the patience to look all that stuff up....I stole it. But I will take rep as payment for cleaning it up because it was a cluster **** of a mess originally.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

Based on? There are a few scenarios however unlikely that it could happen. What if the SEC and the BIG 10 get in a bidding war over ND and the SEC wins. That would leave the the BIG 10 with possibly two holes to fill. It's not likely but it's not a forgone conclusion either.

The phrases "wildly optimistic" and "whistling past the graveyard" don't really describe this very well.

The only shot KU really has is for ND to relent soon, or for Nebraska to get cold feet. Barring that, the Jayhawks are pretty well screwed.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

True. MU has been super silent about this and if they knew that the Big 10 wasn't going to ask them then IMO it is not in their best interest to keep quiet.

My assumption all along has been that Neb and MU have already gotten their invites, maybe only a week or so ago, but I would think this is something you get and sit on for a little bit and try and milk as much power/money out of it as possible (behind closed doors and over private phone calls of course).

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep, forgot all about it.

That's why the first six words in that post were:

Always won what? Regular season games?

Last I checked winning a lot of regular season games usually means you've got a pretty high winning percentage.

BFD.

Was that your last resort? Winning percentage? And AS degree smack?

FWIW, I don't even have an AS. Working towards my BS currently - might as well give you that info, that way if you're going to continue to make ignorant comments and weak attempts at smack, you'll at least, for once, have the facts right.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. No one here knew KU has won a lot of BB games over the last 115 years.

You've been a huge help*.



*your usual, ****stick self

You're the one that brought up dook being 100 games behind in wins. Just thought I'd put that in proper perspective for you.

For being so "unbiased" you sure have a lot of opinions on things you don't give a shit about. Sounds more like bitterness about your small school impending degree than anything else.

Fact: I have an undergrad degree from a university that is MCBB royalty, and that apparently offends you for whatever juvenile reason.

At least you had sense enough not to deny your MU fandom, I'll give you that.

[BryanBusby]

[Pants]

Originally Posted by bowener

My assumption all along has been that Neb and MU have already gotten their invites, maybe only a week or so ago, but I would think this is something you get and sit on for a little bit and try and milk as much power/money out of it as possible (behind closed doors and over private phone calls of course).

I think so too. I think MU and NU want to get kicked out of B12 before they join the B10 so they don't have to pay the enormous breach of contract penalty.

[Pants]

Holy shit, LSUfreak never ****ing disappoints. That kid is a ****ing genius.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

I know I'll get hammered for this but I believe that if at least six schools stay from the big 12 they can keep the conference alive. And if Texas were to leave the six remaining schools could run the conference however they want to. Granted a conference with a base of Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri and Baylor would suck.

No they only need 6 votes to dissolve the conference.

Bebee and all the rest of em start lookin for jobs.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by Crush

I personally think no one knows what is going on. Until there are official reports, all of these "... but I have sources" reports should be discussed, but taken with a grain of salt.

Absolutely.

I qualified my recent post as such, and treated it as just throwing another log on the fire. I hadn't seen that scenario discussed anywhere else and thought it was interesting.

[luv]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

You're the one that brought up dook being 100 games behind in wins. Just thought I'd put that in proper perspective for you.

For being so "unbiased" you sure have a lot of opinions on things you don't give a shit about. Sounds more like bitterness about your small school impending degree than anything else.

Fact: I have an undergrad degree from a university that is MCBB royalty, and that apparently offends you for whatever juvenile reason.

At least you had sense enough not to deny your MU fandom, I'll give you that.

Are you seriously saying you're better than him because of your degree?

[bowener]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

I think so too. I think MU and NU want to get kicked out of B12 before they join the B10 so they don't have to pay the enormous breach of contract penalty.

That is exactly what I have assumed. What exactly do they have to do to get kicked out officially though? Do nothing? Sit back and take no phone calls or something?

edit:

I have been wondering too if they haven't been trying to negotiate with the Big 10 to try and help pay their buy out as a package deal for the 2 schools and then maybe it becomes a "hospital and private insurance" type of analogy, where Big 10 Lawyers sit down with Big 12 lawyers and negotiate the "proper" price of the buyout and the repayment plans and time table for it... seems like that would be something that takes a while, and something you want to keep private.