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Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

ArrowheadHawk · 06-08-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/j...ic-department/

I think Perkins' days are numbered.

I say if Perkins can keep KU in a BCS conference he will have earned the right to stay. Else......

boogblaster · 06-08-2010, 07:08 PM

Well is any college leaving ... or is it a stunt too get more TV monies ....

ArrowheadHawk · 06-08-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

mmmmmmm.....basketball pie

How about cake?

**Saul Good** · 06-08-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Just posted on ESPN...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5265439

KU may be without major conference

LAWRENCE, Kan. -- For the Kansas Jayhawks and their proud basketball heritage, all this could not be more demeaning.

All of a sudden, Kansas' status as a major player in college athletics has been placed in the hands of Nebraska and -- humiliation of humiliations -- archrival Missouri.

While those two decide whether to abandon the Big 12 for the more lucrative Big Ten, Kansas sits and sweats. A pullout by the Huskers and Tigers could result in the collapse of the Big 12 and strip Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State of the safety and privileges of membership in a Bowl Championship Series conference.

What about the Jayhawks' attractive basketball program, with three national championships

3 National Championships? You mean only Kansas counts the Helms championships as actual championships? This can't be. I mean, yes, the Helms foundation wasn't even created until 2 decades after the 1922 and 1923 seasons, and yes, subsequent analysis of the 1921-22 season showed that Missouri, not Kansas, would have won the championship based on the baseline information that the Helms foundation used to determine a champion, but I digress...

Rank Team Rec.
1 Missouri 16-1
2 Kansas 16-2
3 Army 17-2
4 Idaho 19-1
5 Oregon St. 21-2
6 Wabash 21-3
7 Holy Cross 14-3
8 Purdue 15-3
9 Michigan 15-4
10 CCNY 10-2
11 Butler 23-4
12 Princeton 20-5
13 Illinois 14-5
14 Wisconsin 14-5
15 Pennsylvania 24-3
16 Texas A&M 18-3
17 Navy 15-3
18 Wooster 14-1
19 Beloit 12-0
20 Texas 20-4

Mr. Plow · 06-08-2010, 07:10 PM

Sorry to interrupt, but.......

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...usspor00000002

Big Ten, Notre Dame Are Talking ... Again

Notre Dame is officially on the clock.

According to sources, the Big Ten officials and Notre Dame officials have entered into talks that could drastically alter the realignment talk which has dominated headlines in recent days. One insider told FanHouse on Tuesday that the two sides are talking about the nation's biggest independent joining one of the most influential conferences to give the Big Ten its desired 12 members.

The source said the talks "could not necessarily" be described as negotiations but said if Notre Dame can be convinced to give up its long standing independence that things could move rather quickly. Another source familiar with the back-and-forth between Notre Dame and the Big Ten over the years believes all of the Big Ten expansion talk which began with commissioner Jim Delany's announcement last December has always been aimed at getting the Irish to join the conference.

The realization that the Big Ten's threat to add five members could trigger a reaction that would create four super 16-team conferences, and effectively put the squeeze on Notre Dame scheduling, has convinced Irish officials to again sit down at the table with the Big Ten. Earlier this decade the two sides explored the possibility of Notre Dame joining the Big Ten, but in the end the Irish opted to remain independent and enjoy a lucrative television deal with NBC.

Since then, the major conferences have shifted away from giving Notre Dame a full conference share of any BCS game it participates in and, in order to get to the national title game, the Irish have to go undefeated during the regular season.

"Now Notre Dame has to be asking themselves who will they schedule in a four-conference,16-team (per conference) environment?" the source said. "They can maybe schedule the WAC, the MAC and Sun Belt Conference. The questions are: Is that less than what NBC bargained for and will those schools get to a BCS national championship game? I'd say no."

Meanwhile, there is a strong belief that if the Big Ten is successful in luring Notre Dame that it would no longer be interested in expanding from 11 to 16 teams. Currently, the Big Ten's expansion threat has leagues such as the Big 12 and Big East in complete disarray.

The Big 12 could be looking at dissolution soon if the Big Ten is able to lure Nebraska and Missouri, which would then cause a chain reaction that will see Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor or Colorado join the Pac-10 schools to form a 16-team conference. The Big East, in which Notre Dame's other sports compete, also likely would implode with Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt also being targeted for Big Ten expansion.

Most experts agree that the formation of four 16-team conferences would be good only for television partners and fattening the pockets of those leagues. Geographically, there would be major issues plus the cost of travel -- especially for the non-revenue producing sports -- would shoot up significantly.

"The same thing has been stated by the SEC commissioner, the ACC commissioner and myself, that we'd hate to see the landscape change," Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said last week of the possibility of 16-team leagues. "We think 12 is an optimum number. We are prepared in case we need to change our membership but I think that is the number that works.

"Those of us who have been around the business for a long time feel like that's the number that works. I think it's a huge disservice to the student athlete if it grows to a bigger number where they have to go further and not have as much chance to win championships and have as much access to national championships."

Those worries all go away for now if Notre Dame and the Big Ten are able to come to an agreement.

The addition of Notre Dame would give the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network a football program with a global draw while also giving the league 12 members -- which allows for a lucrative conference championship game.

A phone message for Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick was not returned.

Notre Dame joining a conference also seems to resolve some of the issues that it will face down the road, chief among them are scheduling. Inside a conference, scheduling would not be a problem. And the conference payout of between $20 and $22 million in the Big Ten would be a significant bump from the exclusive NBC deal.

The key for Notre Dame is deciding if joining the Big Ten is worth giving up the mystique of independence.

ArrowheadHawk · 06-08-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster

Well is any college leaving ... or is it a stunt too get more TV monies ....

It could just be the Big 10's ploy to get ND in their conference.

Sure-Oz · 06-08-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Have we considered inviting Notre Dame into the Big XII so that they could get a piece of the enormous basketball pie?

teedubya · 06-08-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

How about cake?

Made of KUpcakes. How fitting.

ArrowheadHawk · 06-08-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

3 National Championships? You mean only Kansas counts the Helms championships as actual championships? This can't be. I mean, yes, the Helms foundation wasn't even created until 2 decades after the 1922 and 1923 seasons, and yes, subsequent analysis of the 1921-22 season showed that Missouri, not Kansas, would have won the championship based on the baseline information that the Helms foundation used to determine a champion, but I digress...

Rank Team Rec.
1 Missouri 16-1
2 Kansas 16-2
3 Army 17-2
4 Idaho 19-1
5 Oregon St. 21-2
6 Wabash 21-3
7 Holy Cross 14-3
8 Purdue 15-3
9 Michigan 15-4
10 CCNY 10-2
11 Butler 23-4
12 Princeton 20-5
13 Illinois 14-5
14 Wisconsin 14-5
15 Pennsylvania 24-3
16 Texas A&M 18-3
17 Navy 15-3
18 Wooster 14-1
19 Beloit 12-0
20 Texas 20-4

Missouri got ****ed again?

chiefsnorth · 06-08-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

It could just be the Big 10's ploy to get ND in their conference.

Right. They in no way would even think of adding those two schools. I am sure the idea of plundering three markets and all those football viewers from the Big 12 is just utterly unappealing.

They probably were just feigning interest... so ND would get jealous.

Riiiight.

This sounds like a very troubling time for you... :-)
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ArrowheadHawk · 06-08-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth

Right. They in no way would even think of adding those two schools. I am sure the idea of plundering three markets and all those football viewers from the Big 12 is just utterly unappealing.

They probably were just feigning interest... so ND would get jealous.

Riiiight.

This sounds like a very troubling time for you... :-)
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Wow, talk about an extreme overreaction to my post. I did say "could". You must be in the meeting room with Big 10 officials. Sorry. Please forgive me.

**Bearcat** · 06-08-2010, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

3 National Championships? You mean only Kansas counts the Helms championships as actual championships? This can't be. I mean, yes, the Helms foundation wasn't even created until 2 decades after the 1922 and 1923 seasons, and yes, subsequent analysis of the 1921-22 season showed that Missouri, not Kansas, would have won the championship based on the baseline information that the Helms foundation used to determine a champion, but I digress...

No. 1952, 1988, 2008.

The article isn't even from a KU website.

hawkchief · 06-08-2010, 07:19 PM

It would be the most poetic justice of all, should Notre Dame say yes to the Big Ten and Mizzou would have completely shat themselves. They would then be the black sheep of the Big XII, with nowhere to go. For a school with so little to offer, MU has hung itself out on a very weak limb.

**DeezNutz** · 06-08-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief

It would be the most poetic justice of all, should Notre Dame say yes to the Big Ten and Mizzou would have completely shat themselves. They would then be the black sheep of the Big XII, with nowhere to go. For a school with so little to offer, MU has hung itself out on a very weak limb.

. The black sheep?

If ND "saves" the Big XII, things will return to normal, and we'll all resume being Texas's Sat. Night girl.

teedubya · 06-08-2010, 07:21 PM

The Mizzou Shatbags here have spewed lots of venom. For it to blow up in there face, would be poetic.

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Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $-1342609	Sorry to interrupt, but....... http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...usspor00000002 Big Ten, Notre Dame Are Talking ... Again Notre Dame is officially on the clock. According to sources, the Big Ten officials and Notre Dame officials have entered into talks that could drastically alter the realignment talk which has dominated headlines in recent days. One insider told FanHouse on Tuesday that the two sides are talking about the nation's biggest independent joining one of the most influential conferences to give the Big Ten its desired 12 members. The source said the talks "could not necessarily" be described as negotiations but said if Notre Dame can be convinced to give up its long standing independence that things could move rather quickly. Another source familiar with the back-and-forth between Notre Dame and the Big Ten over the years believes all of the Big Ten expansion talk which began with commissioner Jim Delany's announcement last December has always been aimed at getting the Irish to join the conference. The realization that the Big Ten's threat to add five members could trigger a reaction that would create four super 16-team conferences, and effectively put the squeeze on Notre Dame scheduling, has convinced Irish officials to again sit down at the table with the Big Ten. Earlier this decade the two sides explored the possibility of Notre Dame joining the Big Ten, but in the end the Irish opted to remain independent and enjoy a lucrative television deal with NBC. Since then, the major conferences have shifted away from giving Notre Dame a full conference share of any BCS game it participates in and, in order to get to the national title game, the Irish have to go undefeated during the regular season. "Now Notre Dame has to be asking themselves who will they schedule in a four-conference,16-team (per conference) environment?" the source said. "They can maybe schedule the WAC, the MAC and Sun Belt Conference. The questions are: Is that less than what NBC bargained for and will those schools get to a BCS national championship game? I'd say no." Meanwhile, there is a strong belief that if the Big Ten is successful in luring Notre Dame that it would no longer be interested in expanding from 11 to 16 teams. Currently, the Big Ten's expansion threat has leagues such as the Big 12 and Big East in complete disarray. The Big 12 could be looking at dissolution soon if the Big Ten is able to lure Nebraska and Missouri, which would then cause a chain reaction that will see Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Baylor or Colorado join the Pac-10 schools to form a 16-team conference. The Big East, in which Notre Dame's other sports compete, also likely would implode with Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt also being targeted for Big Ten expansion. Most experts agree that the formation of four 16-team conferences would be good only for television partners and fattening the pockets of those leagues. Geographically, there would be major issues plus the cost of travel -- especially for the non-revenue producing sports -- would shoot up significantly. "The same thing has been stated by the SEC commissioner, the ACC commissioner and myself, that we'd hate to see the landscape change," Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said last week of the possibility of 16-team leagues. "We think 12 is an optimum number. We are prepared in case we need to change our membership but I think that is the number that works. "Those of us who have been around the business for a long time feel like that's the number that works. I think it's a huge disservice to the student athlete if it grows to a bigger number where they have to go further and not have as much chance to win championships and have as much access to national championships." Those worries all go away for now if Notre Dame and the Big Ten are able to come to an agreement. The addition of Notre Dame would give the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network a football program with a global draw while also giving the league 12 members -- which allows for a lucrative conference championship game. A phone message for Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick was not returned. Notre Dame joining a conference also seems to resolve some of the issues that it will face down the road, chief among them are scheduling. Inside a conference, scheduling would not be a problem. And the conference payout of between $20 and $22 million in the Big Ten would be a significant bump from the exclusive NBC deal. The key for Notre Dame is deciding if joining the Big Ten is worth giving up the mystique of independence.
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