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Old 05-03-2010, 07:55 PM  
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CNNSI's 2009 Chiefs Draft Coverage - Mark Sanchez
Thought some of you, Mecca, would get a kick out of this. Apparently there is a glitch in their system.
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KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Round Pick Player Position School
1 5 (5) Mark Sanchez QB USC
2 4 (36) Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
2 18 (50) Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia
4 2 (102) Donald Washington CB Ohio State
5 3 (139) Colin Brown T Missouri
6 2 (175) Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
7 3 (212) Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
7 28 (237) Jake O'Connell TE Miami University
7 47 (256)* Ryan Succop K University of South Carolina
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:10 AM   #31
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Are you ****ing kidding me?

The kid took his team on the road twice in the playoffs and won.

His team was leading 17-6, on the road, in Indy before Brian Schottenheimer went into a shell.



Sanchez could someday be the Super Bowl MVP and people on Chiefsplanet will STILL say he sucks.
I know, I don't see how people can doubt that any rookie quarterback who wins playoff games and takes his team to the conference championship will be a great NFL qb.

Such people must not recognize the greatness of Shawn King.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:39 AM   #32
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Now that I had time to do this, let me tell you why Sanchez has a lot to prove before we can label him a franchise QB. NOTE: this in no way suggests that he won't ever reach that status. I haven't seen anything that indicates that he won't, but he has to get there before I say it.

MYTH: Sanchez has proven to be a playoff winner
TRUTH: Sanchez played decent in the playoffs, but wasn't asked to come up big when it mattered most.
4th quarter performances:
-Indy - 7-12 for 88 yards, 0TD, 0INT (take away a 1:00 minute drill drive when they're down by 13 in the 4th quarter, and it's 3-8, 33 Yds, 1INT
-San Diego - 2-2, 9 yards, 2 TDs (when you throw two passes all quarter and they're both TD passes of < 10 yards, that speaks volumes about your defense and running game)
-Cincinnati - 1-1, 3 yards

So in 4th quarters in the playoffs, he was 10-15 with 100 yards (take away the 1 minute drill and it's 6-11, 45 yards.

And when you look at Sanchez's scores, against Cincy, you had 1 TD in which 0 passes were thrown. Against San Diego, you had 2 TDs where you scored a TD on < 10 yard pass. And against Indy, you have a TD in which you only threw for 9 yards.

MYTH: Sanchez has proven he knows how to win games
TRUTH: Sanchez wasn't just bad in 4th quarters. He was absolutely horrendous.
-Sanchez in 4th quarters-- 46-87 (53%), 674 yards (7.7 avg), 2 TDs, 10 INTs, 1st down % (35.6%)
-Sanchez in 4th quarters w/in 7--25-52 (56%), 362 yards (7.0 avg), 1 TD/3 INT (32.7%)


Was his performance good in his rookie season? For a rookie, yes. Is he a franchise QB? No--he has to prove he can be more than a game manager and he has to prove that he can carry his team in the 4th quarter, which he's never been really asked to do.

We lay very tough standards for our own QBs to be franchise QBs. We need to do the same for other team's QBs too.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:12 PM   #33
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Myth: Numbers matter.
Only one number matters: Wins
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Only one number matters: Wins
Even that number can be misleading.

At one time in his career, Steve Bono had the highest win % among active QBs.
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Even that number can be misleading.

At one time in his career, Steve Bono had the highest win % among active QBs.
Very true.
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Wins - wins against teams resting for the playoffs.
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I guess if he had taken them to Super Bowl and lost, you'd be proclaiming you weren't impressed either.

I've come to realize sometimes, people who appear normal otherwise, are completely ****ing stupid when it comes to the quarterback position in the NFL.
Can we take the position that he'd be at that point a step below Trent Dilfer. Seeing as he took a similar team to the SB and won?
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Wins - wins against teams resting for the playoffs.
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Teams with the number 1 defense and running game tend to get those.
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I know, I don't see how people can doubt that any rookie quarterback who wins playoff games and takes his team to the conference championship will be a great NFL qb.

Such people must not recognize the greatness of Shawn King.
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Teams with the number 1 defense and running game tend to get those.
You mean like the OJ Simpson Bills, or the 90s Chiefs?

Teams with top defense and top flight QBs win championships.

The '99 Ravens, who used your formula to win a championship, are the exception.
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Can we take the position that he'd be at that point a step below Trent Dilfer. Seeing as he took a similar team to the SB and won?
Dilfer wasn't a rookie in 2000.

And as good as the Jets defense was in 2009, I'd take the Ravens of 2000 any day of the week over the Jets.
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Myth: Numbers matter.
They're not just numbers. He's been pegged as a guy who knows how to win games. And yet he was horrendous at third down efficiency and atrocious in 4th quarters. And looking beyond the numbers, rarely was he ever asked to be anything special in the 4th quarter. It's a lot easier to win games when you have the best defense in the league that holds your lead for an entire 4th quarter. He was a game manager. I thought he played fine for a rookie, but when people elevate him to a clear future franchise QB based on 2009, that's just ridiculous. As I said before, if we're so tough on our own being franchise QBs, why are we so loose about calling other QBs franchise QBs?
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