KSU Does KSU NEED KU? - Page 2

Pitt Gorilla · 05-11-2010, 03:04 PM

I keep hearing/reading KU fans lamenting the fact that they will have to drag the "KSU anchor" in potential conference realignment. Does KSU really need Kansas to land in a good BCS conference? If the situation plays out, will Kansas really be held back by K-State?

I honestly have no idea. Kansas does have a rather small population to be supporting two large universities, and that can't help with television ratings (and the money that goes along with those for potential conferences). With football being an important part of the equation, would KSU be fine, or even better off, without Kansas?

**HemiEd** · 05-11-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

It very well could be that Missouri isn't invited. I think they probably will be and I think they will accept. KU fans seem to agree, at least to some extent, or there wouldn't be much talk about KSU holding them back. While I get to hear about it in person, you can also check out KU's Scout site etc. to see the KSU discussion.

I guess it is an angle that had not occurred to me. I still consider the "Big 6" as all needing each other.

**Saulbadguy** · 05-11-2010, 04:14 PM

Kansas and Kansas State spend near the bottom of the barrel every year on athletics in the Big XII. This is all about football, and unfortunately, neither school has the resources to compete with the big boys.

Does that clear things up?

Mr. Laz · 05-11-2010, 04:24 PM

no KSU doesn't need KU ...

i think they should tell the committee they don't and that they want to go off on their own.

**Saulbadguy** · 05-11-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

no KSU doesn't need KU ...

i think they should telling the committee they don't and that they want to go off on their own.

What committee?

Mojo Jojo · 05-11-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth

why do they "have" to stay together?
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Because it is state law. Neither one can go away without the other.

**Saulbadguy** · 05-11-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Because it is state law. Neither one can go away without the other.

Where does it say that at?

ChiefMojo · 05-11-2010, 04:36 PM

Oh they can go their separate ways if the Board of Regents are convinced it is the best for the State overall. If KU has the option to go to a high level conference and KSU does not... in the end the State won't stand in KU's way. It is that or to have two dying Universities and the State doesn't want that.

Mr. Laz · 05-11-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Oh they can go their separate ways if the Board of Regents are convinced it is the best for the State overall. If KU has the option to go to a high level conference and KSU does not... in the end the State won't stand in KU's way. It is that or to have two dying Universities and the State doesn't want that.

The board is going to try and force a package deal ... if they wait too long then both teams could end up playing in mid valley scrub league.

hopefully it doesn't get that far

GoHuge · 05-11-2010, 04:47 PM

Both controlled by the same people........Kansas Board of Regents.

Think of it like Jimmie Johnson (the 48 team) and Jeff Gordon (the 24 team). Both owned by Rick Hendrick, but two different teams that benefit each other.

They're not getting split up for any reason.

Mr. Laz · 05-11-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Because it is state law. Neither one can go away without the other.

not really ... it's up to the board of regents to decide

Mr. Laz · 05-11-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39

Both controlled by the same people........Kansas Board of Regents.

Think of it like Jimmie Johnson (the 48 team) and Jeff Gordon (the 24 team). Both owned by Rick Hendrick, but two different teams that benefit each other.

They're not getting split up for any reason.

i'm going to start breaking Regent legs if they **** us.

you can hear the desperation in Kietzman's voice whenever he talks about it ... he knows KSU is screwed without KU.

**Saulbadguy** · 05-11-2010, 04:54 PM

I heard the reason KU was passed up was because of the ongoing investigation to the ticketing scandal...and other goings on.

I mean, how many houses does a head basketball coach in Lawrence really need?

Pants · 05-11-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I heard the reason KU was passed up was because of the ongoing investigation to the ticketing scandal...and other goings on.

I mean, how many houses does a head basketball coach in Lawrence really need?

Dude, comon... Financially speaking, MU is a much better deal for the B10, I mean it's not even close. I'm pretty sure that was the main driving force behind that decision. Nebraska brings other things to the table, I guess, like nationally recognized brand and an incredibly good AD (even though they only really care about FB).

If the WEF investigation is what caused KU not being considered, it's a pretty stupid reason.

BWillie · 05-11-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Iowa has 200,000 people "more" than Kansas; Iowa and Iowa State don't seem to "need" each other?

Yeah, you never try to aggravate KU fans, right? Heh.

If anything, KSU would be better off w/out KU even existing. KU takes probably every single in state basketball recruit worth a sh*t and they probably split on football recruits. Same thing in Iowa. Probably 80% of people in Iowa and Kansas like the Hawkeyes and Jayhawks respectively.

So in reality, KU is of detriment to KSU.

Mr. Laz · 05-11-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

If anything, KSU would be better off w/out KU even existing. KU takes probably every single in state basketball recruit worth a sh*t and they probably split on football recruits. Same thing in Iowa. Probably 80% of people in Iowa and Kansas like the Hawkeyes and Jayhawks respectively.

So in reality, KU is of detriment to KSU.

wow ... way to take the discussion in a completely irrelevant direction.

this about how KU and KSU relate to the upcoming conference changes etc.

of course every school would benefit if there wasn't any other scholastic competition.

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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	Oh they can go their separate ways if the Board of Regents are convinced it is the best for the State overall. If KU has the option to go to a high level conference and KSU does not... in the end the State won't stand in KU's way. It is that or to have two dying Universities and the State doesn't want that.
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GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	Both controlled by the same people........Kansas Board of Regents. Think of it like Jimmie Johnson (the 48 team) and Jeff Gordon (the 24 team). Both owned by Rick Hendrick, but two different teams that benefit each other. They're not getting split up for any reason.
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05-11-2010, 04:54 PM	#27
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I heard the reason KU was passed up was because of the ongoing investigation to the ticketing scandal...and other goings on. I mean, how many houses does a head basketball coach in Lawrence really need?
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