Other Sports Big 10 Report: Conference Realignment - Page 20

Mr. Laz · 02:57 PM

A source in St. Louis familiar with the situation told NewsCenter 16 Thursday afternoon that Missouri will leave the Big XII and soon join the Big 10. Other schools expected to follow the Tigers are Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and Nebraska.

Many have speculated that such an expansion would include Notre Dame but ND athletic director Jack Swarbrick told me today that the Irish prefer to stay independent in football and in the Big East for other sports. Swarbrick said maintaining football Independence is such a part of what Notre Dame is.

He went on to say the Big East is a great partner for the University in other sports.

"We do have to monitor what is going on," Swarbrick said. "There will be significant shifts. "Hopefully we can navigate them by keeping our football independent and keeping our Big East affiliation because that is what we care about."

The move of Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers to the Big Ten from the Big East could categorically change the landscape of the Big East itself. Thus, what Swarbrick is referring to when stating the University must continue to monitor what is going on.

The interview with Swarbrick was done before the late afternoon announcement.

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

Frazod · 05-01-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Yeah, I graduated from KU. It was the Big 8 when I was there and that was much better than the Big XII. Being a non-money school sucks balls. I've heard recently that big BCS schools are thinking about dumping the NCAA and doing their own thing. We can only hope the NCAA is put in their place.

Actually, I think that would be great. Let the bloated super programs play against each other and stop pounding the **** out of the rest of us who only have a fraction of the resources to draw on.

I wish the Yankees and Red Sox would do it, too.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-01-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

I KNOW the students at MU won't get smarter. It starts with the Antlers and goes down. I'm really wondering why the Big 10 wants you at all. It has to be numbers and money.

The average incoming ACT score at Missouri has been higher than Kansas for years.

jbwm89 · 05-01-2010, 02:43 PM

I hope this happens it should make my degree look a little better. On the subject of admissions I don't know what KU's ACT requirement is, but Mu's has gone from a 22 to a 24 in the three years I have been there

**DeezNutz** · 05-01-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Who cares? Kansas has two universities that divide the curriculums. Just because the state of Missouri decided to pile everything into one campus isn't a sign of anything.

Missouri State University.

And the number of universities doesn't necessarily have any effect on the curricula. The University of Missouri is simply a superior academic institution to the majority of the other Big XII schools. Similarly, it's not arguable to claim that the University of Texas is academically superior to Mizzou; it's a fact.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-01-2010, 03:05 PM

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Shit.

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-01-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

We're globo gym and we're better than you and we know it! /some ku fans

duncan_idaho · 05-01-2010, 03:52 PM

Stewie, in light of this thread, I think you should change your avatar back to the crying baby.

Because that's what you're coming off as - a jealous, whining, crying, left-out-of-the-party little bitch.

**cdcox** · 05-01-2010, 03:59 PM

A lot of incorrect information in this thread.

Big-10 schools are better academically than Big-12 and SEC schools by almost every measure. Yes, they win more research grants. But they are also more selective in who is admitted to their undergraduate programs. Their students have higher average ACT/SAT test scores. The expectations of performance are higher. There are exceptions. Texas and Vanderbilt more closely match the profile of a Big 10 school.

The idea that a community college offers the same education as a major university just because the offer the same material is a joke. A student earning a C in a course at a community college would probably not earn a passing grade in the same course at a major university. The expectations of performance definitely change with the level of the school.

Missouri is ranked just about the same as other big 12 schools.

Being affiliated with the Big 10 would definitely be a good thing for Missouri. Would it change their ranking overnight. No. But it certainly helps the perception of academic quality to be associated with other strong schools. And over time, perception can become reality.

kchero · 05-01-2010, 04:39 PM

I feel that debating which university is better is simply asinine. Both Kansas and Missouri are public universities that have programs within it that are distinguished and both schools are in the Association of American Universities (which only consists of 63 public and private universities). What makes Missouri more appealing besides the larger market and money associated with that is that in regards to researching Missouri has better/more facilities and researching opportunities, its no knock on Kansas, but as everyone knows that Missouri technically consists of 4 schools (The main campus – Columbia and it’s 3 sister schools in KC, St. Louis, and Rolla (approx total of 64,000 students)). The Columbia campus and each of its sister campuses are all involved in their own research as well as cooperative research with each other and that simply draws more water than KU.
Obviously if this deal goes down the fact that Missouri has the market size (ie cash) and the fact that from an academic standpoint it fits in with what the Big 10 requires / prefers from a research perspective is what makes Missouri one of the more talked about names when it comes to Big 10 expansion.
I am in graduate school at UMKC and am currently involved within some related research opportunities pertaining to my field of study so from an academic standpoint, I support the potential move due to the possible increases in funding that we might see. From an athletic standpoint, I would rather see a return to the Big 8 days, but those days are long gone and it seems that moving to the Big 10 is a much better option than being bullied by Texas and the Texas minded Big 12 office.

Mr. Laz · 05-01-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kchero

I feel that debating which university is better is simply asinine. Both Kansas and Missouri are public universities that have programs within it that are distinguished and both schools are in the Association of American Universities (which only consists of 63 public and private universities). What makes Missouri more appealing besides the larger market and money associated with that is that in regards to researching Missouri has better/more facilities and researching opportunities, its no knock on Kansas, but as everyone knows that Missouri technically consists of 4 schools (The main campus – Columbia and it’s 3 sister schools in KC, St. Louis, and Rolla (approx total of 64,000 students)). The Columbia campus and each of its sister campuses are all involved in their own research as well as cooperative research with each other and that simply draws more water than KU.
Obviously if this deal goes down the fact that Missouri has the market size (ie cash) and the fact that from an academic standpoint it fits in with what the Big 10 requires / prefers from a research perspective is what makes Missouri one of the more talked about names when it comes to Big 10 expansion.
I am in graduate school at UMKC and am currently involved within some related research opportunities pertaining to my field of study so from an academic standpoint, I support the potential move due to the possible increases in funding that we might see. From an athletic standpoint, I would rather see a return to the Big 8 days, but those days are long gone and it seems that moving to the Big 10 is a much better option than being bullied by Texas and the Texas minded Big 12 office.

http://www.kumc.edu/research.html

**Reaper16** · 05-01-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

http://www.kumc.edu/research.html

That's not a rebuttal. No one denies that KU Med is a tremendous asset that represents a sizable portion of KU's prestige. But pointing out its existence is not a rebuttal to the point.

Sam Hall · 05-01-2010, 05:51 PM

Dear Michigan, Ohio State and Iowa:

Bring it on.

Regards,

Sam Hall
Hardcore Husker fan

kchero · 05-01-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

http://www.kumc.edu/research.html

Maybe you should re-read my post....We all know that KU med exists and just like EVERY med school / pharmacy school ,etc in the nation there is research being done.

kchero · 05-01-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

That's not a rebuttal. No one denies that KU Med is a tremendous asset that represents a sizable portion of KU's prestige. But pointing out its existence is not a rebuttal to the point.

Exactly!,

I feel maybe my post is mis-read or something, all I am saying is that MU's research facilities / oppurtunities fits in with what the Big 10 prefers / requires.

WilliamTheIrish · 05-01-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

http://www.kumc.edu/research.html

KUMC.

I'll never forgive them for selling off transplant organs.

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kchero Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9978240	I feel that debating which university is better is simply asinine. Both Kansas and Missouri are public universities that have programs within it that are distinguished and both schools are in the Association of American Universities (which only consists of 63 public and private universities). What makes Missouri more appealing besides the larger market and money associated with that is that in regards to researching Missouri has better/more facilities and researching opportunities, its no knock on Kansas, but as everyone knows that Missouri technically consists of 4 schools (The main campus – Columbia and it’s 3 sister schools in KC, St. Louis, and Rolla (approx total of 64,000 students)). The Columbia campus and each of its sister campuses are all involved in their own research as well as cooperative research with each other and that simply draws more water than KU. Obviously if this deal goes down the fact that Missouri has the market size (ie cash) and the fact that from an academic standpoint it fits in with what the Big 10 requires / prefers from a research perspective is what makes Missouri one of the more talked about names when it comes to Big 10 expansion. I am in graduate school at UMKC and am currently involved within some related research opportunities pertaining to my field of study so from an academic standpoint, I support the potential move due to the possible increases in funding that we might see. From an athletic standpoint, I would rather see a return to the Big 8 days, but those days are long gone and it seems that moving to the Big 10 is a much better option than being bullied by Texas and the Texas minded Big 12 office.
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