**** You Scott Pioli

[Titty Meat]

Who spends all that money on a QB and doesn't upgrade the o-line? **** you.

[TFG]

Yes, teams were cutting back on corners when Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers started 4 WRs...


Just stick the thumb back in the mouth and remember that you are parroting "Pioli knows better than you do" because you personally know absolutely nothing about football and the NFL Draft except how to parrot "Pioli knows better than you do."

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TFG

One might notice that the 2010 NFL Draft appears to be very strong at the top of the QB board...

McCoy
Tebow
Zac Robinson
possibly Bradford


I'd take any of those over any QB from 2009, including Cassel, who was available for a high second...

Yeah. Okay.

I wouldn't touch any of those QBs, with the possible exception of Bradford, who would have to spend a year or two adjusting to a pro set.

[TFG]

If Niswanger is "still a project" then he must be Federally funded, because no other entity would tolerate such failure for so long...

Eric Wood went Round 1 to Buff and is starting at OG, if not exactly impressing. He has a "too high" problem and I don't know if he can correct it. Otherwise, he's a pretty good prospect taken two or three rounds too high.

Luigs is stiff. I had an undrafted grade on him.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

I get that.

But we have a trio of solid young corners.

The fact is, Niswanger is still a project, and Luigs is a more advanced project already (as is Eric Wood, who was taken in the fifth round, I believe).

If we're starting a project, I'd rather draft and start the one that has more upside.

I understand your preference. I just think it ignores the G.M. you're looking at, and his draft history. New England builds around the D-line, and the K.C. D-line sucked. It needed a complete overhaul. I'm actually a bit surprised that Dorsey is still in K.C., and I can only guess that it's because of his contract and the inability to get fair value in a trade return.

It would not shock me to see this team shell out big money, either in free agency or with the first round pick, for a nose tackle in the upcoming offseason. It's just how Pioli has done it in the past.

Also, I fully expect Pioli to pounce on any O-lineman he thinks is worth a damn once final cuts are made throughout the league.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by TFG

Yes, teams were cutting back on corners when Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers started 4 WRs...


Just stick the thumb back in the mouth and remember that you are parroting "Pioli knows better than you do" because you personally know absolutely nothing about football and the NFL Draft except how to parrot "Pioli knows better than you do."

Good point, because the Run-n-Shoot was being run by Moon and company right up until last year.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TFG

If Niswanger is "still a project" then he must be Federally funded, because no other entity would tolerate such failure for so long...

Eric Wood went Round 1 to Buff and is starting at OG, if not exactly impressing. He has a "too high" problem and I don't know if he can correct it. Otherwise, he's a pretty good prospect taken two or three rounds too high.

Luigs is stiff. I had an undrafted grade on him.

Niswanger is still a project because the coaches in the past have failed him.

As I said, it's clear that Muir finally corrected his technical flaw, one I've been commenting on for a couple of years.

I'm not sure at this point if it can become more natural and something he doesn't constantly think about.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I understand your preference. I just think it ignores the G.M. you're looking at, and his draft history. New England builds around the D-line, and the K.C. D-line sucked. It needed a complete overhaul. I'm actually a bit surprised that Dorsey is still in K.C., and I can only guess that it's because of his contract and the inability to get fair value in a trade return.

It would not shock me to see this team shell out big money, either in free agency or with the first round pick, for a nose tackle in the upcoming offseason. It's just how Pioli has done it in the past.

Also, I fully expect Pioli to pounce on any O-lineman he thinks is worth a damn once final cuts are made throughout the league.

No, it doesn't ignore his history of building around the D-Line, since we are debating the merits of taking a center as opposed to a CB in the fourth, and taking a more natural RT than Colin Brown in the fifth.

[Inspector]

I understand the frustration but I don't think anyone reasonably thought this could be fixed in one draft / off season.

It's like getting fat, takes time to get back in shape.

Patience.....

[kcfanXIII]

i'm disappointed we didn't upgrade the line more, but even with goff declining in ability, i think its more a sign that his talent around him sucks. think, to the left he has rudy, and to the right is a scrub, no matter who they put in. waters play dropped off when roaf left, and then picked back up a bit when he got a guy like albert playing next to him. an upgrade at rt would help goff out tremndously.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Niswanger is still a project because the coaches in the past have failed him.

As I said, it's clear that Muir finally corrected his technical flaw, one I've been commenting on for a couple of years.

I'm not sure at this point if it can become more natural and something he doesn't constantly think about.

Good thing the Chiefs are experimenting with a center and paying a QB 63 mil lol. Niswanger is nothing more then a backup center, like most of the other offensive linemen.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, it doesn't ignore his history of building around the D-Line, since we are debating the merits of taking a center as opposed to a CB in the fourth, and taking a more natural RT than Colin Brown in the fifth.

I meant the general approach, rather than the specifics. I should have been more clear, so my apologies for that.

The reality is that, whether people like it or not, teams will draft according to their board and reasoning, and not according to the whims of people on a message board: and for damned good reason. Washington, for example, is a pick that Mecca was fine with and you're criticizing. Unless a GM hits at 100% all the time, there will always be some messageboard geek who can pull out a "See, I wanted!" thread and feel as is he was superior. It's just the nature of the beast.

The key isn't for a team to be right all the time. It's for a team to be right enough of the time. Thus far, this draft looks very good for the Chiefs, and I think people should be looking at that rather than complaining because their particular preferences weren't followed to the letter.

Just as a F'rinstance, I wanted Clady last season, and Oher and Sean Smith this season. I'd still be thrilled with those picks, but I can't exactly complain with Mayo, Chung, Butler, Vollmer and Brace. It's really just a matter of how much faith/trust you have in your front office.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

i'm disappointed we didn't upgrade the line more, but even with goff declining in ability, i think its more a sign that his talent around him sucks. think, to the left he has rudy, and to the right is a scrub, no matter who they put in. waters play dropped off when roaf left, and then picked back up a bit when he got a guy like albert playing next to him. an upgrade at rt would help goff out tremndously.

I would buy into the "Goff's play suffered" because of the players around him excuse, except that Niswanger's play noticibly less putrid when Allenby and Ndukwe enetered the game.

[Jerm]

Wow didn't take long...3 games into the preseason.

Fire em all...right now lol.

Jesus.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I meant the general approach, rather than the specifics. I should have been more clear, so my apologies for that.

The reality is that, whether people like it or not, teams will draft according to their board and reasoning, and not according to the whims of people on a message board: and for damned good reason. Washington, for example, is a pick that Mecca was fine with and you're criticizing. Unless a GM hits at 100% all the time, there will always be some messageboard geek who can pull out a "See, I wanted!" thread and feel as is he was superior. It's just the nature of the beast.

The key isn't for a team to be right all the time. It's for a team to be right enough of the time. Thus far, this draft looks very good for the Chiefs, and I think people should be looking at that rather than complaining because their particular preferences weren't followed to the letter.

Just as a F'rinstance, I wanted Clady last season, and Oher and Sean Smith this season. I'd still be thrilled with those picks, but I can't exactly complain with Mayo, Chung, Butler, Vollmer and Brace. It's really just a matter of how much faith/trust you have in your front office.

That's what these message forums are for, spouting our dumbass opinions.

And I'm full of dumbass opinions.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by billay

Who spends all that money on a QB and doesn't upgrade the o-line? **** you.

You knew this was coming. Everyone did. Yeah, it sucks ass, but cuts are coming so we might end up with better or at least serviceable personnel.

Chin up, camper.