**** You Scott Pioli

[Titty Meat]

Who spends all that money on a QB and doesn't upgrade the o-line? **** you.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

I agree with this. We needed a QB, and that's all there is to it. Would we rather have a "better" O-line with Thigpen or some stop-gap like Neckbeard? Pioli got his QB. It takes time to upgrade an entire team. Pioli chose the QB he wanted first, and I'm fine with that. I keep forgetting that all of these Planeteers are better GM's than Pioli.

Again, how do you ignore the O-Line almost altogether in the draft?

How is it you only take a plodding RT from a spread offense, and you take a project CB in the fourth in favor of a quality center prospect, and pass pretty good RT prospect in favor of a RT project (who you end up converting to guard)?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

I agree with this. We needed a QB, and that's all there is to it. Would we rather have a "better" O-line with Thigpen or some stop-gap like Neckbeard? Pioli got his QB. It takes time to upgrade an entire team. Pioli chose the QB he wanted first, and I'm fine with that. I keep forgetting that all of these Planeteers are better GM's than Pioli.

The deal is the Chiefs had the a TON of cap space and the entire draft to upgrade the OL to protect the franchise QB - and that's all there is to it...

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by billay

Stupid much? Not 1 regular game played and the franchise QB already injured his knee cuz his shit O-line. Pay a QB to play behind a shitty o-line, nice logic doucherocket.

you definitely should submit your resume for the GM position. It's obviously a very elementary position that requires little experience or intelligence.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by milkman

Again, how do you ignore the O-Line almost altogether in the draft?

How is it you only take a plodding RT from a spread offense, and you take a project CB in the fourth in favor of a quality center prospect, and pass pretty good RT prospect in favor of a RT project (who you end up converting to guard)?

My only guess is that at the time, Pioli and Haley thought that the O-line was more solid than it really is??

[TFG]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

My only guess is that at the time, Pioli and Haley thought that the O-line was more solid than it really is??

The first duty of both was to assess the talent on the roster and plan to upgrade it accordingly. If Pioli and Haley thought the C-ORG-ORT was just A-OK after watching last year...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

My line is still the same one I said right after the draft, you don't make a move to get your QB that you are saying this is our guy, then give him nothing to work with.

You are setting him up to fail.

100% agree.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

My only guess is that at the time, Pioli and Haley thought that the O-line was more solid than it really is??

How could they possibly think that?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

Again, how do you ignore the O-Line almost altogether in the draft?

How is it you only take a plodding RT from a spread offense, and you take a project CB in the fourth in favor of a quality center prospect, and pass pretty good RT prospect in favor of a RT project (who you end up converting to guard)?

You take the CB because you're looking at the trends of the NFL. That's something that even some of the smarter and better posters here (I consider you one of them) might be overlooking. 3 quality cornerbacks is turning into an NFL must.

You take Brown because he's the best you see at that time (or you think he has the most potential), and he's a project just as every other o-lineman taken at that point in the draft is likely to be. You hope to find lightning in a bottle, but you realize that it's not likely to happen.

It's interesting to me that people are complaining about a draft where the first round pick looks great, the 2nd round pick brought in the team's QB, the 3rd round pick looks as if he might well pan out and become a starter sooner rather than later (possibly taking last year's "cant' miss" prospect and putting him on the bench in the process), the 4th round pick looks as if he's got all the potential in the world and the last pick looks as if he could become a pro-bowl type of player in the future. I don't know if that's because people overlook the crap shoot aspect of the draft, because the draft geeking gives them unreasonable expectations or because they've been so scarred by the previous regime.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by milkman

How could they possibly think that?

I agree...

But why did they mostly ignore the O-line in the draft then?

[TFG]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You take the CB because you're looking at the trends of the NFL. That's something that even some of the smarter and better posters here (I consider you one of them) might be overlooking. 3 quality cornerbacks is turning into an NFL must.

You take Brown because he's the best you see at that time (or you think he has the most potential), and he's a project just as every other o-lineman taken at that point in the draft is likely to be. You hope to find lightning in a bottle, but you realize that it's not likely to happen.

It's interesting to me that people are complaining about a draft where the first round pick looks great, the 2nd round pick brought in the team's QB, the 3rd round pick looks as if he might well pan out and become a starter sooner rather than later (possibly taking last year's "cant' miss" prospect and putting him on the bench in the process), the 4th round pick looks as if he's got all the potential in the world and the last pick looks as if he could become a pro-bowl type of player in the future. I don't know if that's because people overlook the crap shoot aspect of the draft, because the draft geeking gives them unreasonable expectations or because they've been so scarred by the previous regime.

Oh get real. Three CBs is not anything "new" in the NFL. Pioli took what he thought was BPA (Best Player Available) after T-Jax and Magee (need picks for his switch to a 3-4). The best corner available at the top of round 4 was Brice McCain of Utah. You can see him start tomorrow night for the Texans. D-Wash wasn't even a starter at Ohio State. All he ever did to impress anyone was jump high.

There is an order to things. If you think parting with a high second rounder will land that "franchise QB" that's fine. But you cannot do that and just completely F### UP the assessment of the OLs on the roster. Cassel required good protection. Pioli and Haley started this offseason with 2 good OLs and garbage everywhere else. That's still the case assuming the Chiefs aren't going to start Darryl Harris anytime soon, and indeed may pull "Lilja II" and cut Harris.


In the end, you must be fair and realistic. Cheer all you want for Pioli, his "Pro Bowl Seventh Round K" did a lot of missing last year for the Chickens, and while T-Jackson is a good solid 3-4 DE who holds the point hard and pushes the pocket, a top 3 pick is really supposed to be more than that, because there are dozens who can do that, but only a small few who can pass block and run block as an NFL OT at a high level. T-Jackson vs. OT isn't close, even if Cassel is hopefully OK.

[MichaelH]

What if he upgraded the O-line and we kept the same starting QB? Someone would get sand in their vag about that. It looks like they're not going to win that much this year but I feel the future is much brighter than with King Dickweed at the helm.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by billay

Who spends all that money on a QB and doesn't upgrade the o-line? **** you.

repost

[TFG]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

What if he upgraded the O-line and we kept the same starting QB? Someone would get sand in their vag about that. It looks like they're not going to win that much this year but I feel the future is much brighter than with King Dickweed at the helm.

One might notice that the 2010 NFL Draft appears to be very strong at the top of the QB board...

McCoy
Tebow
Zac Robinson
possibly Bradford


I'd take any of those over any QB from 2009, including Cassel, who was available for a high second...

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by TFG

Oh get real. Three CBs is not anything "new" in the NFL. Pioli took what he thought was BPA (Best Player Available) after T-Jax and Magee (need picks for his switch to a 3-4). The best corner available at the top of round 4 was Brice McCain of Utah. You can see him start tomorrow night for the Texans. D-Wash wasn't even a starter at Ohio State. All he ever did to impress anyone was jump high.

There is an order to things. If you think parting with a high second rounder will land that "franchise QB" that's fine. But you cannot do that and just completely F### UP the assessment of the OLs on the roster. Cassel required good protection. Pioli and Haley started this offseason with 2 good OLs and garbage everywhere else. That's still the case assuming the Chiefs aren't going to start Darryl Harris anytime soon, and indeed may pull "Lilja II" and cut Harris.


In the end, you must be fair and realistic. Cheer all you want for Pioli, his "Pro Bowl Seventh Round K" did a lot of missing last year for the Chickens, and while T-Jackson is a good solid 3-4 DE who holds the point hard and pushes the pocket, a top 3 pick is really supposed to be more than that, because there are dozens who can do that, but only a small few who can pass block and run block as an NFL OT at a high level. T-Jackson vs. OT isn't close, even if Cassel is hopefully OK.

Your opinion is noted.

However, here on planet Earth, teams are looking for 3 starting quality corners more than ever, due to the increase in the number of 3 and 4 receiver sets. It's what teams are doing to counter the Patriots and others who have all but eliminated the fullback position (New England's not even carrying one on the roster) in order to add more receivers into the mix.

As for your preferred CB, you may or may not be right down the road. That was not what I was responding to, however, as I think it's pretty idiotic to bitch about CB-1 v. CB-2 once you've gotten past the first 2 rounds. Once players get to round 3, there's usually a reason they've fallen that far.

As for the bitch about Jackson, I can only note that you're still an idiot, and leave it at that.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You take the CB because you're looking at the trends of the NFL. That's something that even some of the smarter and better posters here (I consider you one of them) might be overlooking. 3 quality cornerbacks is turning into an NFL must.

You take Brown because he's the best you see at that time (or you think he has the most potential), and he's a project just as every other o-lineman taken at that point in the draft is likely to be. You hope to find lightning in a bottle, but you realize that it's not likely to happen.

It's interesting to me that people are complaining about a draft where the first round pick looks great, the 2nd round pick brought in the team's QB, the 3rd round pick looks as if he might well pan out and become a starter sooner rather than later (possibly taking last year's "cant' miss" prospect and putting him on the bench in the process), the 4th round pick looks as if he's got all the potential in the world and the last pick looks as if he could become a pro-bowl type of player in the future. I don't know if that's because people overlook the crap shoot aspect of the draft, because the draft geeking gives them unreasonable expectations or because they've been so scarred by the previous regime.

I get that.

But we have a trio of solid young corners.

The fact is, Niswanger is still a project, and Luigs is a more advanced project already (as is Eric Wood, who was taken in the fifth round, I believe).

If we're starting a project, I'd rather draft and start the one that has more upside.