Todd Haley is a MF'in prick

[LaChapelle]

WHB610 is giving him hell. No Neal Jones, did he get the ax?

Rumor is Haley called in Will Franklin and told him he was a marked man. He was one of "Herm's guys." Rode him so hard at the voluntary work outs that he asked for his release and it was granted.

I'm not having that big of a problem with this.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'm talking about the 2007 Falcons roster. They turned that 2008 roster over in basically one season.

My point is, with the right people in charge, teams can transition pretty quickly.

Do you feel the same way about the Detroit Lions or the Cleveland Browns?

Because if you hadn't noticed, we're on the same playing field as those teams.

And let's not even mention how long it's taken the Houston Texans to improve their franchise.

With the Chiefs poor drafting for more than a decade, trading away draft choices for coaches not once, but twice and the serious lack of talent up and down this roster, you can pretty much claim that the Chiefs are at the expansion team level in terms of talent.

It's going to take more than two years with Pioli in charge for that to change.

[Bwana]

Good! He needs to be a prick. Herm made this team soft, Haley has some work to do.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Where was their talent? This is a big urban legend on this board that Atlanta was some team with good players. I've seen it posted more than once.

They had no offensive line.

At center, thay have Todd McClure who is solid.
At Guard they have Harvey Dahl and Justin Blalock,both ascending young players who are very good.
At Taclkle they have Tyson Clabo and Sam Baker (who missed half the season last year).

All but McClure, in his 11th season, have played 3 or fewer seasons, and they comprise an outstnding group.

They had no quarterback.

No argument here.

They featured an aging Warrick Dunn at RB.
They had Roddy White and Joe Horn at WR.
They had a broken down Alge Crumpler at TE.
They had Jon Abraham on their line and that's pretty much it.
They had Boley, Brooking and DeMorrio Williams at LB, none of which are even there anymore.

They added Ryan, Turner, Lofton and Baker in free agency and the draft last year, but that team has been assembled over the last 5-6 years.

Look at that roster, there are only a handful of players with more than 6-7 years in the league.

They put some missing pieces in the puzzle last year, but that team wasn't built over the course of one offseason.

They had DeAngelo Hall, who I felt was insanely overrated then. Chris Houston is a good player, but I'd rate Brandon Flowers above him.

Where is all this talent that Atlanta had? They were very, very comparable to the 2008 Chiefs.

Jon Abraham and Roddy White are the only 2 real stars I see on that 2007 team.

The Chiefs simply don't have the same foundation yet that the Falcons had in place before the '08 season.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Did you know who was going to step up for the Falcons? Did you think Sam Baker was going to turn into a solid LT?

Let the games be played before all these 4-5 year contender talk starts. Falcon fans never in a million years thought they'd be in contention last year.

Outside of Roddy White, the Falcons receivers leave a lot to be desired. Yes, Jenkins is a first round pick, but he's about as inconsistent as they come.

I can't speak for Dane, but in the '08 draft, the only two LTs I wanted ahead of Baker were Albert and Clady, and I fully believed he'd be a damn good LT.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Did you know who was going to step up for the Falcons? Did you think Sam Baker was going to turn into a solid LT?

Yes, I did and have said as much. He was the most "ready" out of all of the left tackles last year, though I did state that I thought he'd eventually end up at right tackle because he was "maxed out". But he definitely played well.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Let the games be played before all these 4-5 year contender talk starts. Falcon fans never in a million years thought they'd be in contention last year.

Well, I cannot account for the Falcons fans knowledge or lack of knowledge of their team. As soon as Dimitroff was hired, I knew that team was headed in the right direction. I told friends that Michael Turner was going to be sorely missed in San Diego and was met with laughs.

If San Diego had kept Turner and let LT go, they would have been in the Super Bowl.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Outside of Roddy White, the Falcons receivers leave a lot to be desired. Yes, Jenkins is a first round pick, but he's about as inconsistent as they come.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Except that the Chiefs don't have a Roddy White, they just have a "Jenkins". And they no longer have consistent outlet receiver.

The Falcons do, though.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, last year, Clay. The Chargers released him, didn't they? Oh, and did you forget about the part where Goff couldn't pass the conditioning test? Nice.

So? I don't really see those things as relevant. Good teams release good players all the time. The conditioning test is a joke. He's a 330-pound lineman.

Until he proves that he can stay on the field and stay healthy, he's nothing. He may be fast and he may be shifty, but that doesn't mean a thing if you're constantly in the tub.

You're reaching here. Charles played in all 16 games last year. You're making him out to be Kolby Smith. He's a threat.

Bobby Engram isn't Bruce or Muhammed. He was NEVER a speed receiver or deep threat. He's a possession receiver that's 36 years old. He was released by a 4-12 team, only to sign with a 2-14 team. That should tell you something about his value.

And neither was Muhammad. Engram was brought in to be a slot receiver and move the chains. If he stays healthy there is NO REASON he can't be a valuable asset to the team. He's not Jeff Webb.

It's not simple. JFC! How is it simple? They're ROOKIES. They're playing in a new defense with a couple of ancient linebackers behind them. They've NEVER played 16 games in a season (let alone 20, with preseason). There's a learning curve involved by everyone on this defense.

They're still more talented than sacks of garbage like McBride and Pat Thomas. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me Tyson Jackson is going to be as bad as Turk McBride and Zach Thomas is going to be as bad as Pat Thomas. Come on.

IF? IF? See, you don't get it. For the Chiefs to win 4 games, there can't be ANY "IF'S". NO injuries. NO missed field goals. NO losses in the turnover battle. NO stupid mistakes.

That's absolutely ridiculous. The Chiefs had a shit load of problems last year and could have won 4 games, perhaps even 6, if they had been better coached and had a better quarterback.

Teams like the Ravens, Steelers and Giants will just move their offenses up and down the field at will against the Chiefs defense.

How do you know? We know nothing about those teams. Joe Flacco could go completely in the tank this year. The Steelers still have a terrible line and the Giants lost Plaxico Burress.

Defenses like the Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Eagles and Chargers will constantly bring pressure against Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh.

So? You act like Matt Cassel wasn't under pressure last year. He was under TREMENDOUS PRESSURE.

It's going to be a very ugly season.

Probably. I still don't see why they can't win 7 games. If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to 11-5, the Chiefs can go from 2-14 to 7-9.

This is the NFL. Quick turnarounds happen ALL THE TIME.

ALL. THE. TIME.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They have no young linebackers.

The fact that you completely discount Derrick Johnson says a lot about how you view the Chiefs.

He's not a Pro Bowler. But he's a solid player. He'd start for most defenses.

You could do a lot worse than Derrick Johnson. And when the Chiefs are good on defense again, he WILL be a part of it.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes, I did and have said as much. He was the most "ready" out of all of the left tackles last year, though I did state that I thought he'd eventually end up at right tackle because he was "maxed out". But he definitely played well.



Well, I cannot account for the Falcons fans knowledge or lack of knowledge of their team. As soon as Dimitroff was hired, I knew that team was headed in the right direction. I told friends that Michael Turner was going to be sorely missed in San Diego and was met with laughs.

If San Diego had kept Turner and let LT go, they would have been in the Super Bowl.



Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Except that the Chiefs don't have a Roddy White, they just have a "Jenkins". And they no longer have consistent outlet receiver.

The Falcons do, though.

Dwayne Bowe is comparable to Michael Jenkins?

That's just hilarious.

What I understand from this thread is that the grass is always greener other places. Do I think the Chiefs are going to win this year, no, I don't. Do I think they are going to win next year, I have absolutely no idea, and I'm not willing to pretend like I know how things are going to shake out. But I'm happy with the leadership in charge.

[Slainte]

Honest to Pete, I thought it was the schedule the Falc's played last year. Pretty cream puff, IIFC...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Dwayne Bowe is comparable to Michael Jenkins?

That's just hilarious.

That was a joke. I guess I should have added a smiley so you'd get it.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I understand from this thread is that the grass is always greener other places.

Well, that isn't my point of view but you could certainly view it as such.

Especially considering that since 2000, the Chiefs have had three winning seasons versus seven losing seasons. And they haven't won a playoff game since the 1993 post season.

So yeah, it's pretty evident that the grass has been greener elsewhere.

[Hammock Parties]

Everyone thought Casey Wiegmann sucked complete shit his last year here.

Then he goes to Denver and is a part of the #2 offense.

Herm was a frickin' moron and Haley is going to make a HUGE difference.

7 wins if Cassel stays healthy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The fact that you completely discount Derrick Johnson says a lot about how you view the Chiefs.

He's not a Pro Bowler. But he's a solid player. He'd start for most defenses.

You could do a lot worse than Derrick Johnson. And when the Chiefs are good on defense again, he WILL be a part of it.

Derrick Johnson is a huge, gigantic disappointment.

He was taken at #15 overall, a spot that designates that he should have been an impact player. He's not. He disappears not just for huge chunks of plays but for games at a time.

He is probably the most inconsistent player on the Chiefs defense and does nothing to elevate the level of play of the other players on defense.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Everyone thought Casey Wiegmann sucked complete shit his last year here.

Then he goes to Denver and is a part of the #2 offense.

Herm was a frickin' moron and Haley is going to make a HUGE difference.

7 wins if Cassel stays healthy.

You're in for a long, long season.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Derrick Johnson is a huge, gigantic disappointment.

He was taken at #15 overall, a spot that designates that he should have been an impact player. He's not. He disappears not just for huge chunks of plays but for games at a time.

He is probably the most inconsistent player on the Chiefs defense and does nothing to elevate the level of play of the other players on defense.

You don't think any of that had to do with coaching?

[Iowanian]

Simon Says...Duct Tape the broken Ankle...Practice starts in 20 minutes.