Cassel's situational stats

[FringeNC]

Interesting numbers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/...X7zDUjvu_.uLYF


He's a much better QB on 3rd down than he is 1st down, which is unusual.

Sure, it could be a result of small sample size, or maybe he really does struggle under center (1st down) and is one of the best QBs in the league on 3rd down in the shotgun spread.

[keg in kc]

You know, we keep having this same Thigpen/Cassel argument over and over and over despite the fact that Pioli effectively ended it a couple weeks back. The decision's been made, like it or not. Cassel's the guy.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You know, we keep having this same Thigpen/Cassel argument over and over and over despite the fact that Pioli effectively ended it a couple weeks back. The decision's been made, like it or not. Cassel's the guy.

I didn't realize we were having an argument. I thought of it more as a discussion.

Of course I believe that Cassell will be the starter but to say he is for sure is proclaiming a knowledge of the unknown. If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Personally I don't have any favortism to either QB and I just want the guy who will turn out the best to be our starter.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Of course I believe that Cassell will be the starter but to say he is for sure is proclaiming a knowledge of the unknown. If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Thigpen does nothing better than Cassell. Well... maybe skeleton ****ing, but I bet Cassell would win a skeleton ****ing contest if he tried.

Warner did things that Leinart could not.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Or tailored around the strengths of Thigpens Oline which was playing like a bunch of cardboard pop ups until they did go to the spread ie basically the same thing that Cassell spent the majority of his time in.

I do like Cassell's prototypical size over Thigpen though and hopefully that will allow us to play more out of Center with him as the starter.

As for Thigpen he was in a program at Coastal Carolina that had literally just began the year before he entered. Cassell has had better coaching, better QB's to learn from and better surrounding casts everywhere he has been.

I like Cassel's size, his intelligence, his mechanics and his accuracy 100x over than Thigpen.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Personally I don't have any favortism to either QB and I just want the guy who will turn out the best to be our starter.

The situations couldn't be more different. Wisenhunt didn't draft Leinart, he inherited him. The franchise had an investment in Leinart, but the coaching staff certainly never did, not in 2007 or 2008. Because he wasn't their guy; he was Dennis Green's.

As for the Chiefs, they don't make that move if there's any question about who's going to be the starter come September. This isn't rookie versus veteran, they have a season of NFL tape on both guys. They made their choice, they chose their guy, and it's Cassel.

[htismaqe]

Good God, advocating for Thigpen. Just goes to show you how starved we've been for a franchise QB...

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by Delano

Thigpen does nothing better than Cassell. Well... maybe skeleton ****ing, but I bet Cassell would win a skeleton ****ing contest if he tried.

Warner did things that Leinart could not.

Not many facts in there to back anything up and the truth is that no one can truly see what would have happened if Cassell took over our team last year and Thigpen took over the Patriots.

Well that is just my opinion on the matter. People act like know it alls around here when they really don't know what will happen. Nobody really knows what Cassells or Thigpens ceiling really is and anyone who tries to sell their opinions on the matter as facts are lying. There have been several cases of QB's starting out as average or worse than Thigpen and getting better.

Again I don't care either way as long as we finally get a QB that can anchor our offense for years and keeps us in contention year in and year out.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The situations couldn't be more different. Wisenhunt didn't draft Leinart, he inherited him. The franchise had an investment in Leinart, but the coaching staff certainly never did, not in 2007 or 2008. Because he wasn't their guy; he was Dennis Green's.

As for the Chiefs, they don't make that move if there's any question about who's going to be the starter come September. This isn't rookie versus veteran, they have a season of NFL tape on both guys. They made their choice, they chose their guy, and it's Cassel.

Or they chose to risk a 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round for an even bigger risk from Stafford or Sanchez and decided to provide real competition to the most important position on a football team kind of like the Patriots like to do at every position on their roster???

No one knows but again like I said you are probably right about Cassell but I hope that they did give Thigpen a fair and thorough review before deciding that there will be no competition for the job.

As to your 1st paragraph that is a fair enough opinion and very well could have been true.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Good God, advocating for Thigpen. Just goes to show you how starved we've been for a franchise QB...

Loosely translated " Oez my good gosh someone has an opinion that does not 100% measure up with mine so this just goes to show how stupid people are for not knowing the future like I so obviously do since I am the end all on all subjects related to the game known as football "

Get over yourself buddy.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Or they chose to risk a 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round for an even bigger risk from Stafford or Sanchez and decided to provide real competition to the most important position on a football team kind of like the Patriots like to do at every position on their roster???

This is why I like the trade.

I don't think Cassel is the messiah everyone thinks he is or NE wouldn't have let him go. Period. If any team knows how important it is to have quality depth at the QB position it's NE.

But long term it doesn't cost us $#it.

Even if he's unimpressive I'm willing to bet someone would give us a 2nd for him next year...

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Loosely translated " Oez my good gosh someone has an opinion that does not 100% measure up with mine so this just goes to show how stupid people are for not knowing the future like I so obviously do since I am the end all on all subjects related to the game known as football "

Get over yourself buddy.

What you presented was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't take a ****ing rocket scientist to understand the future direction.

The Chiefs new regime looked over every game Thigpen played. They decided that it would be in their best interest to fork over a 2nd round pick as well as a 14 million dollar contract to get Matt Cassel over developing Tyler Thigpen. They saw what I saw - a QB who made questionable decisions, struggled wtih accuracy over 10 yards, and someone who needs an offense tailor made to suit him.

If you can't read the tea leaves as to what that says about Thigpen, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Loosely translated " Oez my good gosh someone has an opinion that does not 100% measure up with mine so this just goes to show how stupid people are for not knowing the future like I so obviously do since I am the end all on all subjects related to the game known as football "

Get over yourself buddy.

If Cassel is only a product of the talent around him at least we know he can produce with talent, and good coaching, around him.

Thigpen was coached by tards, surrounded by tards, and surrounded with talent that wanted nothing more than to GTFO of KC last year.

On top of that Cassel's 2nd half QB rating is higher than meme's IQ. Technically, so is Thigpen's, but BARELY.

I guess what I'm saying is he's got more right to stand his ground right now than you do in this argument.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What you presented was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't take a ****ing rocket scientist to understand the future direction.

The Chiefs new regime looked over every game Thigpen played. They decided that it would be in their best interest to fork over a 2nd round pick as well as a 14 million dollar contract to get Matt Cassel over developing Tyler Thigpen. They saw what I saw - a QB who made questionable decisions, struggled wtih accuracy over 10 yards, and someone who needs an offense tailor made to suit him.

If you can't read the tea leaves as to what that says about Thigpen, then I don't know what to tell you.

Why can't Thigpen just be what he is?

Why isn't it good enough to have a really promising 3rd string QB that overachieved?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Why can't Thigpen just be what he is?

Why isn't it good enough to have a really promising 3rd string QB that overachieved?

I'm fine with Thigpen holding a clipboard and running a scout offense every weekday.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What you presented was a bunch of bullshit.

It doesn't take a ****ing rocket scientist to understand the future direction.

The Chiefs new regime looked over every game Thigpen played. They decided that it would be in their best interest to fork over a 2nd round pick as well as a 14 million dollar contract to get Matt Cassel over developing Tyler Thigpen. They saw what I saw - a QB who made questionable decisions, struggled wtih accuracy over 10 yards, and someone who needs an offense tailor made to suit him.

If you can't read the tea leaves as to what that says about Thigpen, then I don't know what to tell you.

Or they saw they needed to provide competition at the position as they would have to give up just as much if not more by drafting Stafford or Sanchez at pick number 3. There are other options and other things that could have happened with that move. It's not like we didn't have 58 million in cap space and didn't make a huge splash in the 1st day of FA with some big name talent to spend some of that cash right? Think outside of the box now and then and realize there is always more than one way things could have gone behind closed doors that you had no key too.

What you are saying is the more likely scenario and I have said that over and over in this thread but just because it seems to be the cool trend around here to say Thigpen is nothing and treat that opinion as a fact dismissing other opinions on the subject as arrogantly as possible does not make all the message board know it alls right.

Again like I have been saying I don't care who steps up to the plate as long as they hit the grand slam and give our team what it has not had since Len Dawson and that is a true franchise QB of our own that is not just another recycled veteran with only a few years left in him.