Cassel > Cutler by Mel Kiper Jr.

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Tuesday with Mel Kiper Jr.

Mel says Cassel is better than Cutler


This week, Jay Cutler's moaning has distracted Mel Kiper Jr. from his usual draft content. "Talk about whining and complaining -- this is at the top of the list," Kiper says.
Kiper: Cassel > Cutler

Cutler's complaining came about because the Denver Broncos tried to trade Cutler in a three-team deal that would have brought over Matt Cassel from New England. But when the trade fell through, Cutler started to complain.

Kiper says Cassel would have been an "upgrade" over Cutler and that Cutler is, to put it mildly, overrated. "[Cutler] throws one pass, he's a Hall of Famer," Kiper says. "I've seen the media put him in the Hall of Fame. I had to run to the bathroom quick. It was making me ill. I've been hearing this overhype. "This guy was overhyped at the combine, he was overhyped at Senior Bowl week, he's been overhyped before he was drafted. The media, they love Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler can do no wrong. I've been saying he's overrated since day one. Everyone's been pounding their chests saying, 'Oh, I love Jay Cutler, I'm a genius.' They have egg on their face now." Kiper points out that Cutler has yet to lead the Broncos to a winning record or a playoff appearance. Also, Kiper says, "[Cutler] makes throws that leave you scratching your head, which I said on draft day when he was picked. Yeah, he's got a strong arm, but my daughter knew he had a strong arm. She could've written that report."

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Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George. "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous." Also, Cutler once said he had a better arm than John Elway. Not surprisingly, Kiper isn't a big fan of that comment, either. "So what? Who cares? Why would you make a comparison to John Elway? That could be taken like you're in a position to critique the quarterback that is a legend."
Cornerbacks

Back to discussing the draft. "There isn't that one true shutdown cornerback available this year," Kiper says. "And after the subpar 40 times run by the defensive backs at the combine workout, this position isn't really as strong or as deep as originally anticipated." Michael Jenkins, Ohio State: "Jenkins is barely maintaining his spot as the No. 1 cornerback," Kiper says. Although Kiper points out that Jenkins "brings a ton of experience and sound technique to the position," he ran a 4.55 40-yard dash at the combine, which makes Kiper worry whether he's worthy of first-round consideration. Vontae Davis, Illinois: Davis is on Jenkins' heels as the top cornerback in this class. But "he lacks the necessary consistency and is still a work in progress," Kiper says. "But physically, he has the awesome physical talent you look for to warrant a first-round grade." D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt: Kiper says he has impressive cover skills, good return skills, smooth hips and good ball skills, but he lacks good recovery speed. Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest: "The 5-9, 193-pounder would be a first-round lock if he were a few inches taller and a bit faster," Kiper says. Darius Butler, Connecticut: Butler is a multiskilled athlete with outstanding recovery speed, Kiper says. Butler also saw action on offense, with nine receptions, and is a solid kick returner.

Underrated: Donald Washington, Ohio State: Washington left school early, a move that many people questioned, but Kiper says he is a solid second-rounder and will draw consideration in the latter portion of Round 1. "He has the physical skills you look for," Kiper says.

Others with early-round potential

• Jairus Byrd, Oregon
• Keenan Lewis, Oregon State
• Brandon Hughes, Oregon State
• Captain Munnerlyn, South Carolina
• Sean Smith, Utah
• Asher Allen, Georgia
• Jerraud Powers, Auburn

Safeties

Because USC's Taylor Mays opted to return to school, there isn't a true star at safety in this draft, Kiper says. William Moore, Missouri: After his junior season, in which he made eight interceptions, he was considered a first-round pick. But Kiper says a foot injury early in his senior season caused him to have just one pick last season. However, he ran an "impressive" 4.5-second 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. "He could turn out to be a steal in Round 2," Kiper says. Louis Delmas, Western Michigan: "A true ball hawk at free safety." Rashad Johnson, Alabama: "Had a spectacular year in the SEC, evidenced by his three-interception performance against LSU back in early November," Kiper says. He adds that Johnson is smart and instinctive, with his only weakness being a lack of ideal size (5-foot-11, 202 pounds). Others with early-round potential

• Emanuel Cook, South Carolina
• Patrick Chung, Oregon
• Sherrod Martin, Troy
• Darcel McBath, Texas Tech
• Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest
• David Bruton, Notre Dame
• Michael Hamlin, Clemson

Outside linebackers

"While there are several high-profile inside linebackers, there's no question the outside linebacker spot is much better when it comes to talent and overall depth," Kiper says. He predicts that as many as four outside linebackers could be chosen in Round 1 of the draft. Aaron Curry, Wake Forest: Curry is the top player on Kiper's draft board. The multidimensional linebacker gets "high grades in all aspects of outside linebacker play." Kiper says he is destined to be a perennial Pro Bowler. Brian Cushing, USC: Kiper says Cushing is able to perform effectively in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. Also, he is more "proven and battle-tested" than his teammate Clay Matthews. Clay Matthews, USC: Matthews is in the Mike Vrabel mold and excels as a pass-rusher, Kiper reports. He is rocketing up draft boards after one season as a starter at USC. Larry English, Northern Illinois: "He was a force to be reckoned with with the Huskies." Clint Sintim, Virginia: "He has the talent and wingspan to operate on his feet or shift to a down defensive end position." He likely will be drafted in the second round. Inside linebackers

Rey Maualuga, USC: "He ranks as one of the hardest-hitting tacklers you will ever come across." James Laurinaitis, Ohio State: "He isn't flashy and lacks awesome computer numbers, but he gets extremely high grades in the consistency department." Kiper believes he needs to be protected by quality defensive tackle play. Others with early-round potential

• Jason Phillips, TCU
• Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
• Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
• Gerald McRath, Southern Mississippi
• Darry Beckwith, LSU

T.O.'s replacement?

With Terrell Owens gone, Kiper thinks Roy Williams will have to step up and be the No. 1 receiver in Dallas. "When he was at [the University of] Texas, he had great talent -- he flashed it time and time again." But Kiper believes Williams needs to be more assertive. "Don't be necessarily T.O. or Randy Moss. But you've got to go out there and have a little bit of an attitude -- a little chip on your shoulder," Kiper says. So who will play opposite Williams? Kiper says the Cowboys could find a quick slot receiver in the second round, like Brian Robiskie from Ohio State or Juaquin Iglesias from Oklahoma. Or they could roll the dice and go for Pat White from West Virginia, a quarterback whom many teams view as a wide receiver. Kiper says White could be the next Antwaan Randle El. But those are the Cowboys' options only if Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) and Kenny Britt (Rutgers) are off the board by the time the Cowboys make their first pick of the draft in Round 2.








LOL. Cutler fans have egg on their face.... hahaha what a great insult.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Cutler's the equivalent of a butterface. Physically everything you want, but something's...missing above the shoulders.

And I ain't talkin' about about what he looks like.

Though that department does NOT fall short in -Factor.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Cutler's the equivalent of a butterface. Physically everything you want, but something's...missing above the shoulders.

Physically everything you want, if you want a QB with a chronic uncurable disease that could end his career at any moment hanging over his head like a ****ing axe. It amazes me how little mention that gets. Even if the guy's last name was Manning, that alone would send up warning flares. Does anybody really think that wasn't a factor in the trade-that-never-was?

[keg in kc]

There is that.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

There is that.

Seriously. Whiny, sullen AND diabetic? Yeah, there's a guy I want to build my franchise around.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by frazod

Seriously. Whiny, sullen AND diabetic? Yeah, there's a guy I want to build my franchise around.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Feel free to correct me where you think I was in error and engage in a football conversation.

Or you can continue to blurt out ignorant snippets then dissapear forever like 99% of the n00bs I've seen come and go here.

You made an argument about the system being all about the Patriots offense being:

"use the TE as a third WR and work for YAC instead of long downfield strikes" offense

That's clearly not the system, as the season before last amply demonstrated. Last season, defenses changed how they were playing and double teamed Moss on pretty much every play by rotating the safety over, which is why the YAC went up so much.

I mean, it's not as if 2007 didn't happen.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You made an argument about the system being all about the Patriots offense being:



That's clearly not the system, as the season before last amply demonstrated. Last season, defenses changed how they were playing and double teamed Moss on pretty much every play by rotating the safety over, which is why the YAC went up so much.

I mean, it's not as if 2007 didn't happen.

The NE passing offense has always been predicated on the YAC instead of the long ball. This was true before Moss. Not sure if you are saying NE is a long-ball team or what you are getting at.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by vailpass

The NE passing offense has always been predicated on the YAC instead of the long ball. This was true before Moss. Not sure if you are saying NE is a long-ball team or what you are getting at.

That's not the Patriots passing offense. The Patriots passing offense is based off of both the quarterback and the receiver reading the defenders, while the play is ongoing, and adjusting to the actions of those players. It's not a "Go Deep!/Go short!"Do a 10 yard out!" offense.

That's why Moss was killing people deep 2 years ago.

Of course, one of the real ironies of your comment is that Cassel was #1 in YAC in the AFC this season, but Cutler was #2.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/lea...rcatchqbs.html

The Patriots were #3 in the league, with Denver at #5:

http://sports.wcbstv.com/fb/tmleader...iving&rank=231

Edit: for some comparison sake, here's one from the season before (albeit only through 15 weeks), with Brady rather than Cassel:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2007...-for-pass.html

You can see that Brady's %YAC is actually lower than Cutler's.

[Mile High Mania]

Kiper is mad b/c he liked Young and Leinart over Cutler and neither of them is starting...

Again, Jay has his issues, but with the defense giving up 30 points every other game, you can' make up for that every time.

[SBK]

With Kiper throwing a dis at Jeff George how long until Whitlock calls him an 'Assclown' or the Italian equivalent?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Cassel = 11-5 and knows the system
Cutler = 8-8 and knows how to throw a hissy fit that would make a 2 year old proud

Yes, it's clear that only Cutler can get the job done in Denver.

The difference was 3 games... and had the NE defense given up 30 points or more in 9 of their games, I'm willing to bet they wouldn't have reached 11 wins. But, don't let that spoil your fun...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Again, Jay has his issues, but with the defense giving up 30 points every other game, you can' make up for that every time.

That was one Thig-a-riffic take, Mile High!

[Que Card QB]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

The difference was 3 games... and had the NE defense given up 30 points or more in 9 of their games, I'm willing to bet they wouldn't have reached 11 wins. But, don't let that spoil your fun...

Right. By that logic, Denver's 8-8 was inches from 5-11 (SD, NO, and TB). Not to mention @ Cleveland and Atlanta (easily could have been losses) and your looking at 3-13.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

That was one Thig-a-riffic take, Mile High!

Well, take it however you like... fact remains that most QBs, elite or not, do not consistently win if the defense sucks.

Broncos' DEF gave up 30, 30 and 52 points in the final 3 games... Cutler made 45 and 49 attempts in the last two games. That's a QB playing with no ground game and no defense.

I'm not one of those that thinks he's the second coming of Elway, nothing like that at all. But, he is a good QB with a very nice future... this thing will work itself out.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Que Card QB

Right. By that logic, Denver's 8-8 was inches from 5-11 (SD, NO, and TB). Not to mention @ Cleveland and Atlanta (easily could have been losses) and your looking at 3-13.

You can do that with any team...

My point was, the previous poster was simply comparing the two QBs and W/L records... it's just not that simple.

Here's a nice link with QB comparisons. http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3...stats-on-cutle