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Old 01-16-2009, 04:59 PM  
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I just called the studio, and the call screener said it is a rumor that they have spoken.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:23 PM   #226
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I personally think Shanahan was building a Superbowl team in Denver. It's true that he's let the defense go while he focused his efforts on offense - especially the last two years when he liquidated Jake Plummer and started to build a team around Jay Cutler. But right now the Broncos have a powerful young offense and we're moving into this offseason with more cap money and draft picks than we've had in a decade to spend primarily on defense... And at that, Shanahan's personnel guy (Goodman) has done a superb job the last two years - probably better than anyone in the league. You'll note that while Shanahan was fired, we kept his personnel guy - effectively making him the team's GM.
I agree, TJ.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:31 PM   #227
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Why in your opinion was he fired?

Basically because Pat got impatient.

I've heard a few insider type things, but most of it is speculation.

At the end of the day, Shanahan wasted a lot of time trying to find a franchise quarterback to run his offense, and in that time, the defense has suffered. Shanahan probably could have kept his job if the Broncos went to the playoffs this season - but with 7 runningbacks on IR, the best he could do was .500.

Them's the breaks.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:38 PM   #228
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Basically because Pat got impatient.

I've heard a few insider type things, but most of it is speculation.

At the end of the day, Shanahan wasted a lot of time trying to find a franchise quarterback to run his offense, and in that time, the defense has suffered. Shanahan probably could have kept his job if the Broncos went to the playoffs this season - but with 7 runningbacks on IR, the best he could do was .500.

Them's the breaks.
Our meltdown against SD cost Carl and Shanahan's jobs, and soon to be Herm's. Tampa's loss to Oakland cost Gruden his, and allowed Philly to do what they've done. The doormats of the AFC West had a big impact on this NFL season.
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Old 01-17-2009, 04:39 PM   #229
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Our meltdown against SD cost Carl and Shanahan's jobs, and soon to be Herm's. Tampa's loss to Oakland cost Gruden his, and allowed Philly to do what they've done. The doormats of the AFC West had a big impact on this NFL season.

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I personally think Shanahan was building a Superbowl team in Denver. It's true that he's let the defense go while he focused his efforts on offense - especially the last two years when he liquidated Jake Plummer and started to build a team around Jay Cutler. But right now the Broncos have a powerful young offense and we're moving into this offseason with more cap money and draft picks than we've had in a decade to spend primarily on defense... And at that, Shanahan's personnel guy (Goodman) has done a superb job the last two years - probably better than anyone in the league. You'll note that while Shanahan was fired, we kept his personnel guy - effectively making him the team's GM.
It's definitely going to be odd not seeing him on the sideline, but I am fine with the change. Shanahan built a nice offense, but the defense... man, that has been a big pile of stink for years and ultimately that is why I'm fine with the change.

It's interesting that they are keeping Dennison and Tuner - good for them, but I really hope they focus a bulk of that cap space and draft on the defense this offseason.

I'm tired of the FA misses on guys like Robertson, let's try something new.

Offensively, let's focus on that primary RB once again and keep a number of the guys we have now as insurance.

It's going to be interesting and I think it will be good. A lot of key pieces to the puzzle are there, now fix the defense.
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Old 01-17-2009, 06:28 PM   #231
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Our meltdown against SD cost Carl and Shanahan's jobs, and soon to be Herm's. Tampa's loss to Oakland cost Gruden his, and allowed Philly to do what they've done. The doormats of the AFC West had a big impact on this NFL season.
And the Chiefs ruined the Patriots title hopes.
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Shanahan wasted a lot of time trying to find a franchise quarterback to run his offense, and in that time, the defense has suffered.
Please, man. You act like Shanahan wasn't even trying to fix the defense. The truth you don't seem to want to accept is that he ****ing failed horribly at it. The minute he fired Coyer it all went downhill.

Fortunately, with Pioli to hold his hand in Kansas City, we won't have that problem.
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:46 PM   #233
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I would be OK with Gun coming back if a new HC would let Gun run HIS attack style defense instead of the shitty hybrid cover 2 shit that Herm made him run. If the abortion of a _efense that was unveiled on the field this past fall was all Guns doing and not mandated by Herm, then I want Gunther's head on a platter.
He had the defense under Vermeil and sucked. IMO, he's incompetent. Scheme aside, it's frustrating watching the defense repeat the same deficiencies every season.
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He had the defense under Vermeil and sucked. IMO, he's incompetent. Scheme aside, it's frustrating watching the defense repeat the same deficiencies every season.
Yep, his usefulness has past.
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I would be OK with Gun coming back if a new HC would let Gun run HIS attack style defense
I can't believe there are people STILL defending Goonther.

The Chiefs' defense started faltering during Goonther's final season as the Chiefs head coach... that had nothing to do with a "hybrid Cover 2" you are describing in your post.

Goonther's defenses were mediocre and kept the Chiefs out of the playoffs during Vermeil's final season in KC... and that had nothing to do with a "hybrid Cover 2".
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Basically because Pat got impatient.

I've heard a few insider type things, but most of it is speculation.

At the end of the day, Shanahan wasted a lot of time trying to find a franchise quarterback to run his offense, and in that time, the defense has suffered. Shanahan probably could have kept his job if the Broncos went to the playoffs this season - but with 7 runningbacks on IR, the best he could do was .500.

Them's the breaks.
That's ridiculous. The Broncos rescources have been spent primarily on defense for the last sevaral years. Hell, was it 2 years ago he spent 8 picks on three players on the defense?

That was just the year before last. You call that good dratfting? You're easy to please.
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It would not shock me at all.
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I'd love to have him groom Stafford or Sanchez. Let Pioli pick the DC and it's potentially dominant front office.

This would be my jizz my pants hire.
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No shit.

The last hour has been bat-shit crazy.
What the **** did you two drink today?

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****ing awesome!
Offfffffffffff course; why am I NOT surprised.

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I love the idea, the key to the whole thing is who would become the next defensive coordinator under Shanny.
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I'm not surprised.

Clearly Clark Hunt was swayed by my column recommending Shanahan as head coach.
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It's not DaVinci, but it IS an Epic Rendering that so beautifully depicts the brain-power of the True Fan/Full reerun Chiefs fan who would support the hiring of Mike Shanahan.
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I hate to be a pimp, but Mike Shanahan news has been hitting our premium boards for over a week.

Of course this tidbit was free in the article I wrote 12 days ago if any of you had bothered to pay attention:

http://kan.scout.com/2/827395.html
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Nice.

If true, he gets to groom Sanchez or Stafford and Jam Culter and the Donks twice a year!

Hooah!!
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Shanahan would be great for Thigpen
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I would like Shanny just for the sheer "ass in thier face" every time we beat the donks with him standing on the sidelines in red.

All of the negatives about him will be gone as long as he really isn't looking for sole control of the roster and Pioli can get a solid D coord in place to take care of that side of the ball. Chan is a good fit with him already and I like him to stay with or without the rat.

He also has the experience to be something like what they had in NE with Pioli as far as a football mind to be a partner with, but in this case it would be Scott with the final say instead of BB.

It would be hard to forget the flash of disgust when I see his face, but I would like him (eventually) if he were ours.
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If he brings Jeremy Bates to be the OC, and lets Pioli have input on the DC, then I'm all for it.
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as long as shannarat doesn't have full control .... i'm good with it.


keep him around for 5 years or so and we should be completely rebuilt and can start looking for his replacement. Hopefully shannarat cries when we fire him.
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Im not sure how I feel about this,all the years of distain for the guy and now he could be our new coach.


Herm or Shannahan...............Shannahan or Herm...........


Bye Herm.
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The way i look at is this ........ if i'm gonna hate our head coach, i might as well hate a good one.




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omg ...... bring on the rat!!


i've been separating my love on the team from my feelings bout the head coach ever since Marty.
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meh...... if it gets rid of Herm I'll settle for the 32nd pick in the draft
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I like the idea of Shanahan as the Head Coach, I just didn't want him, if he was going to be calling the shots on player personnel.
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I'd take him in a heartbeat. Him and Pioli could build something here.
Isn't ONE Hindenburg tragedy enough? I'm sure people in the old west thought the outhouse was pretty nifty before indoor plumbing, yes?

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In talks with Shanahan ay?
Wow... I wouldn't have a problem with that AT ALL.
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The Rat is OK by me.
We were SO close. There was some respect however minuscule starting to happen. And now this.

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Shanahan is a good coach, especially on offense. Put him under a good GM like Pioli and it should be a dynamic combination.
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Alright, back to the fooball portion of the thread. I'd be Ok, with Shannahan, but he's far from my first choice. I just see him wanting more control several years down the road.
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Yep. If Shanahan could hold is ego in check, I'd love to have him.
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Depending on Shanahan's outlook on coaching the Chiefs, he could easily be my first choice. If he's willing to allow Scott to bring in a D coordinator for him, I don't see a better option. If we're going to draft a franchise quarterback, who better to develop him?
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No way this happens if Shannahan wants personnel control which I'm sure by now Shanny has learned his lesson of wearing too many hats in the previous org. Shanny the GM got Shanny the Coach fired.

Hands down Shanny is the best X's and O's guy 'offensively' and not to mention the best QB teacher(ala-could improve Thigpen tremendously) in the NFL. Pioli and Shanny have great admiration for one another and Shanny has always wanted to work with Gunther because he greatly respects him. Shanny really likes the Chiefs young core of talent coming up (Flowers,Carr,Bowe,Dorsey). Shanny I would think at this point would think I can just be a football coach and leave all the other stuff(GM,personnel) to somebody else and I have 45mil under the cap, Pioli,Gunther, good core of young talent and Arrowhead stadium.

I don't want him if he wants personnel control though.
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I know a lot of people don't like him, but I think Shanahan would be great.

Give him a good gm to work with and outstanding ppl in the pro player personnel dept and I'll bet he'll easily be one of the best coaches in the league.

Given the fact we have Pioli, Im welcomed to having Shanahan as HC.
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Marty?
Seriously what is all the hatred for Marty? He made us the 2nd winningest franchise in the 90's. his last job he went 13-3. Some bad coaching and a lot of bad luck in the playoffs ya, but he's one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL period. His day will come.

Why do so many hate a guy that did so many great things for this Team? He turned this team around from being a turd to a perenial playoff team. Dont want him back if you like, but to laugh at him like he's a joke is ridiculous.
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Seriously what is all the hatred for Marty? He made us the 2nd winningest franchise in the 90's. his last job he went 13-3. Some bad coaching and a lot of bad luck in the playoffs ya, but he's one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL period. His day will come.

Why do so many hate a guy that did so many great things for this Team? He turned this team around from being a turd to a perenial playoff team. Dont want him back if you like, but to laugh at him like he's a joke is ridiculous.

Maybe because we know how the story ends with Marty... regular season success followed by a flameout in the playoffs.
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