Football Carroll's Comments on Sanchez - Page 5

**kysirsoze** · 01-15-2009, 02:40 PM

I know this has been posted in other threads but I thought it deserved a little personal attention since there seem to be a lot of USC fans on here.

Is it just me or did Pete Carroll come off like a total asshole in his comments about Sanchez leaving? I can't find the full quote yet but he made it clear that he thought it was a terrible decision and Sanchez is not ready. I am usually a fan of Carroll and as someone who lives in L.A. (although not a USC fan) I think he is a great ambassador for college football who carries himself with a lot of class.

What's with his complete lack of support?? Any USC fans wanna enlighten me?

kcxiv · 01-15-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea coming out early sure killed that Roethlisberger guy.

Well, Ben did start 3 years in College.

evolve27 · 01-15-2009, 10:28 PM

Sanchez reminds me of Fez, lookswise that is.

Molitoth · 01-16-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Well, Ben did start 3 years in College.

zing!

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea coming out early sure killed that Roethlisberger guy.

It isn't a matter of coming out early. The issue is starting only one year.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-16-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It isn't a matter of coming out early. The issue is starting only one year.

Sanchez only started for 1 complete season. However, he also started 3 games in 2007.

I just hope we have a rookie 1st round QB on our roster with the initials M.S.

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Sanchez only started for 1 complete season. However, he also started 3 games in 2007.

I just hope we have a rookie 1st round QB on our roster with the initials M.S.

In recent history have there been any successful QB's taken in the first two rounds of the draft with less than 20 collegiate starts?

Here's that under 30 (not even 20) starts list again: Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-16-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

In recent history have there been any successful QB's taken in the first two rounds of the draft with less than 20 collegiate starts?

This decade there hasn't been a QB taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft with less than 20 collegiate starts. Therefore, there aren't any that have been successful or unsuccessful.

Hootie · 01-16-2009, 10:37 AM

Matt Cassel didn't start any college games to my recollection...

Not saying he's a great QB or anything...but I believe the system in place and the people around you, as well as talent and mindset has more to do with success than the # of college starts.

If Sanchez is who Pioli takes at #3, keep Thigpen as the starter and give Sanchez a year to learn the ropes with a clipboard in his hand...

If Thigpen shits the bed turn over the reigns to Sanchez mid-season.

If Thigpen lights it up, well then, that's a problem I'm willing to experience.

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Matt Cassel didn't start any college games to my recollection...

Not saying he's a great QB or anything...but I believe the system in place and the people around you, as well as talent and mindset has more to do with success than the # of college starts.

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# of starts becomes less important with QB's taken in later rounds because they aren't expected to come in and play right away and can sit on the bench for 3 years to get caught up. You can't take a QB in the top 5 and sit him 2-3 years.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-16-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

# of starts becomes less important with QB's taken in later rounds because they aren't expected to come in and play right away and can sit on the bench for 3 years to get caught up. You can't take a QB in the top 5 and sit him 2-3 years.

No, but you also don't have to start them right away. Of the 30 & under guys you mentioned all except Vick were rushed into a starting spot as rookies.

Hootie · 01-16-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

# of starts becomes less important with QB's taken in later rounds because they aren't expected to come in and play right away and can sit on the bench for 3 years to get caught up. You can't take a QB in the top 5 and sit him 2-3 years.

Why not?

The only way Sanchez sits for 2 years is if Thigpen becomes a quality QB and leads us to playoff victories...and if that's the case, I'm ok with Sanchez being on the bench...

If we draft a QB #3 and one of our QB's steps up and becomes a franchise quality QB I'm totally ok with the #3 pick on the bench...

It's a moot point though. I doubt Thigpen, Gray or Croyle are going to be THAT guy...so Sanchez sits a year, or half of a year, and then takes over.

You can't tell me another year at USC would have done some sort of miracle work on the guy...he either has it, or he doesn't...and if we draft him, we'll get to find out.

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

No, but you also don't have to start them right away. Of the 30 & under guys you mentioned all except Vick were rushed into a starting spot as rookies.

Teams try to start rookies. Especially ones that were just handed 40 mil guaranteed. Especially on teams where there is no current viable QB.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-16-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Teams try to start rookies. Especially ones that were just handed 40 mil guaranteed. Especially on teams where there is no current viable QB.

Like Cincy did with Carson Palmer?

**SAUTO** · 01-16-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Like Cincy did with Carson Palmer?

they had jon kitna who took them to the playoffs IIRC

Hootie · 01-16-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Teams try to start rookies. Especially ones that were just handed 40 mil guaranteed. Especially on teams where there is no current viable QB.

I don't see a scenario in which Thigpen doesn't open up the 2009 season as starter, other than injury.

I don't see how you think there is no current viable QB...Thigpen weathered the storm last year...stayed healthy and played decent football for a horrible team.

You can point to Ryan (rare, rare, rare case) and Flacco (wouldn't have been the starter if Troy Smith didn't suffer that fluke pre-season tonsil issue)...but the Chiefs aren't in a hurry, especially if they draft Sanchez...

And if they don't draft Sanchez or Stafford and take someone in round 2, 3 or 4...then you can bet 100% Thigpen will be opening day starter.

I mean the guy had a decent season, at least statistically, I'm pretty sure the coaching staff is going to give him first chance to **** up before they turn over the reigns to the rookie.

01-15-2009, 02:40 PM
kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $286946	Carroll's Comments on Sanchez I know this has been posted in other threads but I thought it deserved a little personal attention since there seem to be a lot of USC fans on here. Is it just me or did Pete Carroll come off like a total asshole in his comments about Sanchez leaving? I can't find the full quote yet but he made it clear that he thought it was a terrible decision and Sanchez is not ready. I am usually a fan of Carroll and as someone who lives in L.A. (although not a USC fan) I think he is a great ambassador for college football who carries himself with a lot of class. What's with his complete lack of support?? Any USC fans wanna enlighten me?
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01-16-2009, 10:37 AM	#68
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Matt Cassel didn't start any college games to my recollection... Not saying he's a great QB or anything...but I believe the system in place and the people around you, as well as talent and mindset has more to do with success than the # of college starts. If Sanchez is who Pioli takes at #3, keep Thigpen as the starter and give Sanchez a year to learn the ropes with a clipboard in his hand... If Thigpen shits the bed turn over the reigns to Sanchez mid-season. If Thigpen lights it up, well then, that's a problem I'm willing to experience.
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