Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 202

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

EyePod · 01-12-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's nice. We're spoiled.

Yeah, my one friend is a Pat's fan. Every ****ing Monday morning I'd see her with a smirk. She almost didn't come to classes after the SB. That made it so worth it. All of those weeks of seeing her stupid little smirk really couldn't outweigh her being crushed by Eli/Tyree.

CoMoChief · 01-12-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

3. You should expect Pioli to get a new coach, and to try to work the same mind-meld with him that BB had with him. The Pats think its' critical that the scouting and coaching staffs be VERY closely intertwined. The scouts have to pick players that the coaches can use in THEIR system. They have repeatedly said that they pass on players that might be great players because those players aren't right for THEIR system.

I've heard this waaaaay too many times before as a chiefs fan but clearly on draft day they do something different.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Man... This sounds like a mother****ing dream. I swear the Chiefs draft room has a spinning dartboard. The coach/GM switch back and forth with the blindfold, and throw! That's how we choose!

You'll feel different iwth Pioli. You'll see him move up and down the draft board, and feel like you've fleeced the other teams he does deals with.

I still remember trading our 1st to the Ravens for a 2nd and their 1st the next year.

They got Kyle Boller at 21. We got a 2nd that year which was packaged with another pick to move up and get Eugene Wilson, who was a good starter for us for a few years before falling off the planet. The 1st the next year turned into Vince Wilfork.

What you WILL be frustrated with is refusing to "overpay" for players in your own uniform. Seeing Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law and Asante Samuel walk out the door has sucked. But you have to believe in their system, with proven results, and swallow that pill.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Yeah, my one friend is a Pat's fan. Every ****ing Monday morning I'd see her with a smirk. She almost didn't come to classes after the SB. That made it so worth it. All of those weeks of seeing her stupid little smirk really couldn't outweigh her being crushed by Eli/Tyree.

Presumably you mean crushed emotionally.

That game is likely the worst loss I'll ever have to deal with as a sports fan.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-12-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Quick sidenote: have you read any of the books on the Patriots dynasty?

If so, which one(s) would you recommend to gain further insight on their philosophies?

If we end up hiring Pioli, I'd love to read up a bit more on their draft process, personnel evaluations, etc.

Me too.

I've read Feinstein's "Next Man Up" several times, and wish there was something similar regarding the Patriots.

**Rausch** · 01-12-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I've heard this waaaaay too many times before as a chiefs fan but clearly on draft day they do something different.

I think Chan had a big say in the draft.

The guys drafted on offense he used and (save injuries) worked out. I still think our MU product will be a solid no 3 WR once healthy...

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

What about what he did in Baltimore? Ray Lewis and Jonathon Ogden.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...8-7297b9d1a76f

IMHO that's a stretch.

He was Director of PRO Personnel, which usually means limited involvement in drafting and scouting of college players. Giving him full credit for those is a reach.

I'm a big booster of Pioli, but even I can't quite justify giving him that.

Frankie · 01-12-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

You'll feel different iwth Pioli. You'll see him move up and down the draft board, and feel like you've fleeced the other teams he does deals with.

Wheeling and dealing to build up chances for good players. Except for last year, that's what I have HATED about Chiefs drafts. CP didn't do any of that. If Pioli is a wheeler dealer like you say, he is now clearly at the top of my list. Bring him on. Draft day should be exciting.

raybec 4 · 01-12-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Man... This sounds like a mother****ing dream. I swear the Chiefs draft room has a spinning dartboard. The coach/GM switch back and forth with the blindfold, and throw! That's how we choose!

Gun: God damn it Herm take the ****ing blindfold off. There is no ****in' way were drafting Turk ****in Mcbride in the second round!!!

Chiefnj2 · 01-12-2009, 01:52 PM

It's all about the owner, GM, head coach and scouts all being on the same page. What concerns me is that from the get go Clark and Pioli may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the head coach.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-12-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's all about the owner, GM, head coach and scouts all being on the same page. What concerns me is that from the get go Clark and Pioli may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the head coach.

If Herm was the hold-up, the process would have never gotten to this point, IMO.

FringeNC · 01-12-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's all about the owner, GM, head coach and scouts all being on the same page. What concerns me is that from the get go Clark and Pioli may not be seeing eye-to-eye on the head coach.

I don't think it'd get as far as Pioli taking the job if Herm was to remain coach. Herm's not an Xs and Os guy, is all about the cover-2, etc. Terrible fit with the New England Way.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Quick sidenote: have you read any of the books on the Patriots dynasty?

If so, which one(s) would you recommend to gain further insight on their philosophies?

If we end up hiring Pioli, I'd love to read up a bit more on their draft process, personnel evaluations, etc.

err...one or two.

I've read Patriots Reign by Holly, Tales from the Patriots Sidelines by Felger, whatever it's called, the rather weird "Management Secrets of the New England Patriots" by Lavin, Never Give Up, by Tedy Bruschi, Won for All, by Pepper Johnson and Education of a Coach by Halberstam.

The "Management Secrets" book is probably the one you want -- or at least it's the one that comes closest to doing what you want. The problem is that it's a rather disorganized mess. It's like an MBA trying to analyze why something is successful without having too much insider access. It was an interesting read, but again, more than a little disorganized.

Patriots Reign was Michael Holley's book after spending 2 years inside the Pats locker room. He does go into some draft stuff, etc. It's overall a very good, easy read.

The rest probably aren't real close to what you're looking for in terms of philosophy.

Amnorix · 01-12-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Wheeling and dealing to build up chances for good players. Except for last year, that's what I have HATED about Chiefs drafts. CP didn't do any of that. If Pioli is a wheeler dealer like you say, he is now clearly at the top of my list. Bring him on. Draft day should be exciting.

I dunno if it's SP or BB or both, but they play the draft board like Yo Yo Ma plays the cello.

Get used to moving down and trading players with them. They're all about stocking up the picks. They take advantage of the short term mentality of most NFL teams to fleece them. They're glad to give you a 2nd this year for your 1st next year. Glad to move back and still get the player they want and get an extra pick.

Chiefnj2 · 01-12-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Wheeling and dealing to build up chances for good players. Except for last year, that's what I have HATED about Chiefs drafts. CP didn't do any of that. If Pioli is a wheeler dealer like you say, he is now clearly at the top of my list. Bring him on. Draft day should be exciting.

CP didn't wheel and deal with regard to the draft? Moving up for Gonzo, down for LJ, trading a 1st for Green, dealing JA.

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