Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 81

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

beach tribe · 01-07-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Pioli wants total control over football operations not business. Why wouldn't we give him total control of the football side?

If we're smart we will. I think Clark is going to do the right thing, and if he does we can rest assured that we have the right man at the very top of this org.

ChiefsCountry · 01-07-2009, 05:35 PM

Its like buying a car folks, they are going back in forth to get a price both sides want.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-07-2009, 05:38 PM

I think Pioli becomes a Chief.

He is going to be the top-paid GM in the NFL based on his succcess.

He is going to have full-control. Lamar gave Carl total control over football operations, why wouldn't Clark give Scott the same.

I really believe this will happen.

Boris The Great · 01-07-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

610 said we offered Pioli the job but 2 things....

1. He wants to be paid like the top GM in the league.
2. He wants total control.

Same unsubstantiated claims people have been making all along. In Boston they are saying Clark offered Pioli one of the richest contracts ever, and in KC they are saying Pioli wanting to get paid among the top GMs in the league is a sticking point.

Nobody knows anything.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris The Great

Same unsubstantiated claims people have been making all along. In Boston they are saying Clark offered Pioli one of the richest contracts ever, and in KC they are saying Pioli wanting to get paid among the top GMs in the league is a sticking point.

Nobody knows anything.

Yea 610 sports is saying this is from a source at Arrowhead.

beach tribe · 01-07-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I think Pioli becomes a Chief.

He is going to be the top-paid GM in the NFL based on his succcess.

He is going to have full-control. Lamar gave Carl total control over football operations, why wouldn't Clark give Scott the same.

I really believe this will happen.

Me too. I'm excited for us all.

**BossChief** · 01-07-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

You think the Chargers won't re-sign him? It'd be smart if they kept him over LT. Do we pick up a big back in free agency or in the draft?

jacobs

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How? Do you honestly think that Hali or McBride is somehow going to emerge into a pass rushing machine? Derrick Johnson's had 4 years and he's been average at best. Donnie Edwards is old, Rocky Boiman is slow, Jason Babin is done, Pat Thomas sucks. Who do you think is lingering around on this squad just waiting to explode?

Not to take anything away from him but Harrison is surrounded by monster talent.

As I said before, I don't expect them to become superstars. They don't HAVE to.

Hali will be playing the backside, 8-10 sacks a year is more than acceptable there. (Which is exactly what he was producing before they moved him)

McBride, Dorsey and Tank have all been misused, and have two years experience or less. They could absolutely blow up with proper coaching.

Derrick Johnson has been misused as well - and it's no secret.

Not even sure why you mentioned the other guys - they are placeholders, nothing more - who were here due to injuries.

Like I said before, maybe they are the schmucks you claim they are.

But considering they all have 3 years or less experience, and that experience came with Herm Edwards and Tim Krumrie giving them instruction, then I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

As a future teacher, I can't expect my students to succeed if I'm doing a shitty job teaching them, and not putting them in positions to succeed.

If I'm telling them that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, how do you think they are going to do on the test?

These guys are no different. They are going to have to re-learn a lot of techniques, but it's possible.

beach tribe · 01-07-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

jacobs

Jacobs isn't going anywhere.

kcxiv · 01-07-2009, 05:44 PM

I think with the Hiring of Mangenious, that leaves the Chiefs as the frontrunners for Pioli. I think its the Chiefs or back to New England. This is good.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

As I said before, I don't expect them to become superstars. They don't HAVE to.

Hali will be playing the backside, 8-10 sacks a year is more than acceptable there. (Which is exactly what he was producing before they moved him)

McBride, Dorsey and Tank have all been misused, and have two years experience or less. They could absolutely blow up with proper coaching.

Derrick Johnson has been misused as well - and it's no secret.

Not even sure why you mentioned the other guys - they are placeholders, nothing more - who were here due to injuries.

Hali will be in his fourth year, McBride & Tyler in their third. I expect them to become average players - not superstars. I've seen nothing on the field from any of them indicating that they're on the verge of becoming impact, playmaking players. With Dorsey, it's difficult to tell because he was playing out of position.

Additionally, I brought up the other players because you used James Harrison as an example. Harrison is 30 years old. He had 8.5 sacks last year and 16 this season. He was rarely on the field the in the preceding 4 years (I guess he wasn't good enough for that defensive genius Bill Cowher).

The Chiefs don't currently have players that are waiting to explode in that manner. Hali's best season was his rookie season and he'd deteriorated since, whether it's been an injury issue or playing out of position. Unless McBride loses 25 pounds, his best position is inside, not outside. He and Tank may yet become a force but at this point in time, I think it's ludicrous to assume that with new coaches, they'll suddenly begin putting up numbers like Merriman, Ware, Abraham, etc.

The Chiefs don't have any athletic, defensive playmakers and no amount of scheming will make up for that.

Danman · 01-07-2009, 05:50 PM

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;5366389

NO ONE OVER 30![/QUOTE]

This is a Pioli thread right? Don't forget that Pioli as a member of the Patriots brought in 23 free agents the first year at New England. Some of those were . . . gasp . . . over 30.

He's said in interviews since that time that he liked older players because of their professionalism. He's gonna do the same thing here, and if it creates a winning culture like the Patriots have, outdamnstanding.

Herm may've brainwashed you that nobody over 30 can play, but one of the problems this year was there was nobody to show the young players how to act and win in a professional manner.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danman

This is a Pioli thread right? Don't forget that Pioli as a member of the Patriots brought in 23 free agents the first year at New England. Some of those were . . . gasp . . . over 30.

He's said in interviews since that time that he liked older players because of their professionalism. He's gonna do the same thing here, and if it creates a winning culture like the Patriots have, outdamnstanding.

Herm may've brainwashed you that nobody over 30 can play, but one of the problems this year was there was nobody to show the young players how to act and win in a professional manner.

Um, you don't rebuild a team with a bunch of 30 year-olds.

****ing n00bs.

beach tribe · 01-07-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, you don't rebuild a team with a bunch of 30 year-olds.

****ing n00bs.

Yep. Pioli brought those guys in as additions to an already bolstered roster.

Danman · 01-07-2009, 06:05 PM

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****ing n00bs.[/QUOTE]

Oh whew, that was all you got hmm, Glad you're so original

Don't be shocked with some free agents on the roster next year

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01-07-2009, 05:50 PM	#1212
Danman Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $9775175	[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;5366389 NO ONE OVER 30![/QUOTE] This is a Pioli thread right? Don't forget that Pioli as a member of the Patriots brought in 23 free agents the first year at New England. Some of those were . . . gasp . . . over 30. He's said in interviews since that time that he liked older players because of their professionalism. He's gonna do the same thing here, and if it creates a winning culture like the Patriots have, outdamnstanding. Herm may've brainwashed you that nobody over 30 can play, but one of the problems this year was there was nobody to show the young players how to act and win in a professional manner.
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01-07-2009, 06:05 PM	#1215
Danman Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $9775175	[QUOTE= ****ing n00bs.[/QUOTE] Oh whew, that was all you got hmm, Glad you're so original Don't be shocked with some free agents on the roster next year
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