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Old 12-30-2008, 09:05 PM  
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The Pioli Watch Thread
I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

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New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:21 PM   #1186
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They don't all NEED to be pro bowl players, IMO.

But it's an even harder hill to climb when the coaching staff has no ****ing clue how to use you. Hali, Dorsey, McBride and Tyler have all been misused since the day they arrived in KC.
No, they don't have to all be Pro Bowlers but it's a fact that you can't coach football instinct, speed or athleticism.

Face it: There is no "hidden" talent on this team. There's no "Jared Allen" in waiting and there certainly not a Neil Smith or Derrick Thomas just waiting to receive better coaching.

Guys like that, impact guys don't need coaching. You just turn them loose. The Chiefs don't have that right now on defense and the greatest D-line coach or defensive coordinator in the world wouldn't be able to create a guy like that with the existing talent.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:22 PM   #1187
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The offense needs a new RB too. LJ won't be here, Charles isn't a every down back, Kolby Smith? Meh.
I think we should pick up Sproles, have him split time with Charles, and pick up a bruiser back somewhere. I'm an advocate of a RB committee. It keeps RBs fresh and decreases wear, and tear.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:23 PM   #1188
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Pepper is too old and will be on his third contract.

No thanks.
So you're going to wait 3 years before getting someone who can get after the QB? Our defense is young I'd say it's not bad to have a couple of veterans on the defense. Peppers still has time to be productive so I think it'd be a good signing.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:24 PM   #1189
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I think we should pick up Sproles, have him split time with Charles, and pick up a bruiser back somewhere. I'm an advocate of a RB committee. It keeps RBs fresh and decreases wear, and tear.
Sproles is not going anywhere. SD needs him to help take teh load off of LT next season.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:24 PM   #1190
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I think we should pick up Sproles, have him split time with Charles, and pick up a bruiser back somewhere. I'm an advocate of a RB committee. It keeps RBs fresh and decreases wear, and tear.
You think the Chargers won't re-sign him? It'd be smart if they kept him over LT. Do we pick up a big back in free agency or in the draft?
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:25 PM   #1191
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it's not easy, but if we can add 5/6 impact players then i think we are very competitive next year IF we get some decent coaching.
JFC. 5 to 6 impact players? Well **** yeah! The Chiefs should go 10-6 or better with 5 to 6 impact players! But for ****sake Dude, that's about as likely as drafting a HOF QB in the 6th round!

If the Chiefs can acquire three impact players in the 2009 off-season, I'd be pleased as punch.

And how I can I rate Thigpen as below average? Well, when a QB's numbers fall off drastically in the second half of 9 consecutive games and during that time, the same QB wins only one start, I'd say he'd be considered below average at this point in time.

Additionally, he hasn't proven he can play under center effectively, which by my estimation, is pretty important.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:25 PM   #1192
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No, they don't have to all be Pro Bowlers but it's a fact that you can't coach football instinct, speed or athleticism.

Face it: There is no "hidden" talent on this team. There's no "Jared Allen" in waiting and there certainly not a Neil Smith or Derrick Thomas just waiting to receive better coaching.

Guys like that, impact guys don't need coaching. You just turn them loose. The Chiefs don't have that right now on defense and the greatest D-line coach or defensive coordinator in the world wouldn't be able to create a guy like that with the existing talent.
We definitely need help at the DE spot, but we should be able to find some decent help in the draft, or FAcy. I think Selvie could be had in the 2nd, and would be a hell of a passing situation upgrade.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:25 PM   #1193
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No, they don't have to all be Pro Bowlers but it's a fact that you can't coach football instinct, speed or athleticism.

Face it: There is no "hidden" talent on this team. There's no "Jared Allen" in waiting and there certainly not a Neil Smith or Derrick Thomas just waiting to receive better coaching.

Guys like that, impact guys don't need coaching. You just turn them loose. The Chiefs don't have that right now on defense and the greatest D-line coach or defensive coordinator in the world wouldn't be able to create a guy like that with the existing talent.

Really?

How can you say that?

There are guys in this league that are passed over time after time, then for some reason, it clicks.

James Harrison of the Steelers is a perfect example.

The good thing is, these guys are ALL young. How many players have looked like dogshit in their first 2-3 years, then all of a sudden "got it?" It happens all the time.

If these guys were 8-10 year veterans, then yeah, I'd say we've probably seen what they really are.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:26 PM   #1194
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There is no way to fix the defense unless we get a good defense pass rushing end. Dorsey even if he was good couldnt do it by himself. We need ends in the worst way. We set the damned record that a team that played 14 games set. Yet we did it in 16 games. PATHETIC!

I am ok with not drafting a qb this draft. I wont be made if we get one, but we do need help on the dline really really bad.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:26 PM   #1195
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So you're going to wait 3 years before getting someone who can get after the QB? Our defense is young I'd say it's not bad to have a couple of veterans on the defense. Peppers still has time to be productive so I think it'd be a good signing.
Peppers in a contract year. Look at his numbers over the past several years. Furthermore, he'll be over 30.

NO ONE OVER 30!
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #1196
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You think the Chargers won't re-sign him? It'd be smart if they kept him over LT. Do we pick up a big back in free agency or in the draft?
Just speculation on my part, but we know they are not going to franchise him, and that sends him to the highest bidder. A bruiser can be found just about anywhere. FAcy, or the latter rnds of the draft.
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610 said we offered Pioli the job but 2 things....

1. He wants to be paid like the top GM in the league.
2. He wants total control.
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Old 01-07-2009, 05:28 PM   #1198
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Really?

How can you say that?

There are guys in this league that are passed over time after time, then for some reason, it clicks.

James Harrison of the Steelers is a perfect example.

The good thing is, these guys are ALL young. How many players have looked like dogshit in their first 2-3 years, then all of a sudden "got it?" It happens all the time.

If these guys were 8-10 year veterans, then yeah, I'd say we've probably seen what they really are.
How? Do you honestly think that Hali or McBride is somehow going to emerge into a pass rushing machine? Derrick Johnson's had 4 years and he's been average at best. Donnie Edwards is old, Rocky Boiman is slow, Jason Babin is done, Pat Thomas sucks. Who do you think is lingering around on this squad just waiting to explode?

Not to take anything away from him but Harrison is surrounded by monster talent.
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Peppers in a contract year. Look at his numbers over the past several years. Furthermore, he'll be over 30.

NO ONE OVER 30!
Yep. No thanks.
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Pioli wants total control over football operations not business. Why wouldn't we give him total control of the football side?
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