Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 78

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-07-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I think Sanchez starts out the best, and Stafford becomes the best of the 3.

That's a pretty bold prediction.
I believe Stafford can evolve to Mark's current level, no doubt. But how high can Sanchez go? Depending on the total element around him and his work ethic, the sky may NOT be the limit.

So to speak.

tooge · 01-07-2009, 04:38 PM

I would like to think this team was a seven win team that got coached to 2 wins and that it can be fixed in one offseason. Unfortunately, I think that more often than not, the a teams record says who they really are. I mean, they coulda lost the two they won just as easily.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

I would like to think this team was a seven win team that got coached to 2 wins and that it can be fixed in one offseason. Unfortunately, I think that more often than not, the a teams record says who they really are. I mean, they coulda lost the two they won just as easily.

I definitely think they are better than their record.

The question is, "how much better?"

A coaching change and a decent draft should lead to at least 6 wins next year, IMO.

MGRS13 · 01-07-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

And Gun? He doesn't teach tackling anymore it seems. The lack of fundamentals on that front four and LB corps is absolutely atrocious, and the NFL rankings prove it.

Big bingo! Their have been many debates on this site if a new D Cor. should have a 3-4 scheme or a 4-3 scheme or be a cover two guy or yadda, yadda, yadda. I wan't a new D cor. who's scheme is wrap a guy up! I mean does Pollards arms ever leave his hips? Surely there is somebody out there we can bring in to remind our players on defense that its called TACKLE football for a reason.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I agree, the talent excuse is an old one, and I don't buy it. The talent shortcomings have been in the coaching/management.

I fully disagree.

LT: Above Average - B
LG: Excellent - A
C: Below Average - D
RG: Fail - F
RT: Fail - F
TE: Excellent - A
WR1: Above Average - B
WR2: Average - C
WR3: Below Average - D
RB: Above Average - B
QB: Below Average - D

So on offense, the Chiefs are a flat D: 60%. 33 out of 55. I wouldn't call that talented.

Now the defense.

RDE: Average - C
DT: Average - C
DT: Average - C
LDE: Fail - F
OLB: Average - C
MLB: Fail - F
OLB: Below Average - D
CB: Good - A
CB: Above Average - B
FS: Average - C
SS: Average - C

31/55: 56%. F: FAIL.

This team needs an infusion of play-makers and at least average players on the offensive line to become competitive.

They're 58% as a starting unit with little or no depth.

They have a long way to go before they're considered a "talented" team.

beach tribe · 01-07-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I definitely think they are better than their record.

The question is, "how much better?"

A coaching change and a decent draft should lead to at least 6 wins next year, IMO.

6-8 wins is definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

milkman · 01-07-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I am really not that funny...

You'll get no argument from me.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-07-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

At all.

It is completely confounding how much love is given to the shortish guy with many of the same warts as both Bradford and Stafford. Seemingly based on little more than Mecca's mancrush over him.

Sanchez is a distant 3rd on my list.

Mecca does NOT have a man-crush! Jesus Christ; the "love" comes from watching the players PLAY. The "love" comes from recognizing that Mark's overall talent, as it stands right now, is several levels above his competitors.

Go to You Tube, watch fan-films and highlights, get a copy or copies of Georgia and USC games.
Study.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-07-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

6-8 wins is definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

The only way the Chiefs get to 8 wins if they grab Vilma and Suggs out of free agency, add studs at the RG and RT position, and Thigpen or a rookie QB plays out of his mind.

Oh, and no major injuries.

ChiefsCountry · 01-07-2009, 04:47 PM

2009 more than likely will be a 4 to 6 win season, 2010 should be .500 and 2011 on is when the run happens.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

At all.

It is completely confounding how much love is given to the shortish guy with many of the same warts as both Bradford and Stafford. Seemingly based on little more than Mecca's mancrush over him.

Sanchez is a distant 3rd on my list.

The mancrush is on Stafford, not Sanchez.

He's just recently started pimping Sanchez, because before the Rose Bowl, it was generally accepted that he would not declare. (And still may not)

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-07-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Big bingo! Their have been many debates on this site if a new D Cor. should have a 3-4 scheme or a 4-3 scheme or be a cover two guy or yadda, yadda, yadda. I wan't a new D cor. who's scheme is wrap a guy up! I mean does Pollards arms ever leave his hips? Surely there is somebody out there we can bring in to remind our players on defense that its called TACKLE football for a reason.

These guys would have made great Berserkers 1000 years ago, but that's not the game we're playing.
And I blame Herm's soft-camp as well. That, and Krummy; that guy is the most obnoxious and useless squad-coach I have ever seen captured on film.

**dirk digler** · 01-07-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only way the Chiefs get to 8 wins if they grab Vilma and Suggs out of free agency, add studs at the RG and RT position, and Thigpen or a rookie QB plays out of his mind.

Oh, and no major injuries.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

2009 more than likely will be a 4 to 6 win season, 2010 should be .500 and 2011 on is when the run happens.

I have to disagree with both of these statements. The Chiefs definitely need more talent but if they would have had a real coaching staff they would have won at least 2-3 more games.

This team lost 8 games by 7 points or less you are talking just a handful of plays and this team could have been 7-9, or 8-8 this year.

milkman · 01-07-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

You would also have to force him to let his coordinators do their jobs. I'm not defending Gunn but if he wasn't forced to run the cover who it may have been better this year.

Ron Rivera is a cover two coach who's done a hell of a job with the Chargers 34 since he took over.

A good coach can get results regardless of the system he is most familiar with.

****her is a useless blowhard bitch.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-07-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

These guys would have made great Berserkers 1000 years ago, but that's not the game we're playing.
And I blame Herm's soft-camp as well. That, and Krummy; that guy is the most obnoxious and useless squad-coach I have ever seen captured on film.

Sorry, but the soft camp debate is overblown.

One, I've witnessed a week of a Herm Edwards camp, and a week of Dick Vermeil camp, and the only differences were in the TIME it took to get the same thing accomplished.

With DV, there was a lot of time between drills, guys aimlessly walking around, time being wasted.

Herm had shorter practices, but was up-tempo the entire time. Guys weren't standing around wondering what was going to happen next.

Two, Brian Billick's camps in Baltimore were jokingly known as Club Med. Last I checked, the Ravens were pretty damn good for the most part when he was there - especially in the month of December.

You don't beat your team up in August and expect them to still have gas in the tank in December/January.

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