The Pioli Watch Thread

[cardken]

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

RE Clayton, you can hear him say this here:

http://search.espn.go.com/clayton/

Click on "Best of Mike and Mike: 1/6"

Clayton talks about Pioli and Herm at about the 7 minute mark, real quick blurb but more news than anyone else is reporting...

Yep, I heard it. Thanks!

In other news...grrrrr.....

GRUNHARD RAISES DCS' PISS AND VINEGAR LEVEL TO DANGEROUS HIGHS!

Just fired this beaut off after listening to Grunny give audio tongue baths to Carl and Herm:

Jesus Christ Grunny; can I get a tounge bath when you're done with Herm?

Every single "close but no cigar" loss the Chiefs had in 2008, was a COACHING LOSS.

Though I've never studied in the classical sense, I am fairly capable of good acting.

Can I be a Radio Douche too?

Meh,
-DCS.

[Craqhead]

Figure this applies here being that if the Browns do get Mangini then it pretty much seems Pioli will come too the Chiefs or stay in NE.

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...c_mangini.html

Analysis: Tracking Eric Mangini's path toward the Browns
Posted by jturner January 06, 2009 18:52PM
John Russell/Associated PressEric Mangini was not a vocal supporter of Brett Favre's signing with the Jets, although it was reported that after New York completed its late-season collapse, Favre told Mangini it was the players' fault, and not the coach's.
Eric Mangini was fired as New York Jets coach the day after the team completed a free-fall from first place to third in the AFC East and out of the playoffs.
Before the day was over, Mangini was on the fast track to becoming the front-runner to replace Romeo Crennel as the next Browns coach.

Now that Mangini's hiring appears inevitable, if not imminent, a refresher course on the one-time Browns ballboy is in order.

Question: How did Mangini go from "Mangenius" to "you're fired" in three seasons, two in which the Jets had a winning record?

Answer: Jets owner Woody Johnson doled out about $160 million in future contracts for veteran acquisitions in 2008 to get the team over the top while simultaneously pushing sales of ultra-expensive luxury seats in the new Meadowlands stadium under construction. The trade for disgruntled Green Bay quarterback icon Brett Favre was the final act in getting the team to the playoffs. When the Jets failed, Mangini took the fall.

Q: Is that all?

A: Mangini was not gung-ho about the Favre trade and seemed intimidated by him. Favre had his run of the place and other players took note. Mangini's defense failed him in the playoff stretch. He was heavily criticized for some game decisions that backfired. He also was hard on his players and on his coaches. He was not the most popular man in the Jets complex by the end of his time.


Q: So why did he appeal so much to Lerner?

A: Mangini was Crennel's first choice to be defensive coordinator in 2005, so there was some familiarity with him from that time. More importantly, Lerner has been convinced that the Browns needed an experienced head coach, one capable of learning from his failures in his first job. Mangini is a grinder who works his players hard and Lerner felt that type of coach definitely was needed. Also, Mangini never shirked responsibility as Jets coach and always stood up and took the bullets.

Bill Kostroun/Associated PressThe word "stoic" is often used in describing Mangini during his tenure in New York. But as he proved here, there were times when his emotions bubbled to the top during games, and he was considered a very demanding boss.
Q: Why has no other team expressed interest in Mangini?
A: Some believe he is too tough a coach to work for. But he's not the only coach accused of that. It is odd that he is not a candidate in Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland or Denver.

Q: Would Mangini be given the full authority over personnel and the draft that Crennel lacked?

A: Probably not. Mangini's personal choice to take over as Browns general manager is George Kokinis, the Baltimore Ravens' pro personnel director. They are good friends since their original days in entry-level positions with the Bill Belichick Browns of the early 1990s. The only way the Browns could pry Kokinis from the Ravens, however, is by giving him full authority over football decisions. Mangini apparently is comfortable with that.

Q: Isn't that the way it worked in New York between Mangini and General Manager Mike Tannenbaum, who also were close friends?

A: Yes. For three years, Tannenbaum and Mangini worked hand-in-hand on personnel decisions, with Tannenbaum having final say. But they differed on Favre. The owner and Tannenbaum wanted him and Mangini was lukewarm at best.

Q: Isn't Mangini a clone of Bill Belichick?

A: Well, they are very similar -- stoic workaholics always looking for the slightest competitive edge to exploit their opponents. They are not going to light up a room when they enter it.

Q: What has happened to their relationship?

A: It's non-existent. After succeeding Crennel one year as New England defensive coordinator, Mangini interviewed for some head coaching jobs. Belichick encouraged him with one proviso -- take any job but the Jets, who are the Patriots' arch rivals. Mangini not only defied his mentor, but further angered him by trying to raid the Patriots' staff for assistants. Then, after the season-opening meeting of the rivals in 2007, the NFL office received evidence of Belichick authorizing the videotaping of Jets' defensive signals, which is against league rules. It is widely believed that Mangini is the one who snitched. The Patriots were docked a first-round draft pick and fined $250,000. Belichick was fined an additional $500,000 -- the maximum under NFL rules. In three seasons, the Jets were 2-5 against Belichick's Patriots, including one loss in the playoffs.

Q: It seems the Browns should be more concerned with defeating their own rivals than in trying to find the next Belichick. What was Mangini's record against the AFC North?

A: In three years, the Jets were 2-4 against teams in the AFC North. They beat Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. They lost twice to Crennel's Browns.

[BigRedChief]

After the King Carl presser, Clark Hunt got on a plane with some Chiefs personnel and left to go interview GM candidates. Where he went and to interview whom?

[carlos3652]

Per the Pats Board:

Pioli Joining the Chiefs?

The guys at Patriots Insiders seem to think so.
If you have an account, take a look.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=121&f=1855&t=3636459&p=2
For those that don't have an account, the basics are that they have been told by "MULTIPLE SOURCES" off the record of course, that Pioli might be joining the Chiefs as early as this week.

We'll see...stay tuned.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Per the Pats Board:

Pioli Joining the Chiefs?

The guys at Patriots Insiders seem to think so.
If you have an account, take a look.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=121&f=1855&t=3636459&p=2
For those that don't have an account, the basics are that they have been told by "MULTIPLE SOURCES" off the record of course, that Pioli might be joining the Chiefs as early as this week.

We'll see...stay tuned.

Yep, I have wood

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Per the Pats Board:

Pioli Joining the Chiefs?

The guys at Patriots Insiders seem to think so.
If you have an account, take a look.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=121&f=1855&t=3636459&p=2
For those that don't have an account, the basics are that they have been told by "MULTIPLE SOURCES" off the record of course, that Pioli might be joining the Chiefs as early as this week.

We'll see...stay tuned.

oh baby please

[tyton75]

please please please please please please please please!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigChiefFan]

Encouraging news. Wonderful.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Per the Pats Board:

Pioli Joining the Chiefs?

The guys at Patriots Insiders seem to think so.
If you have an account, take a look.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=121&f=1855&t=3636459&p=2
For those that don't have an account, the basics are that they have been told by "MULTIPLE SOURCES" off the record of course, that Pioli might be joining the Chiefs as early as this week.

We'll see...stay tuned.

REP!

[Agent V]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Per the Pats Board:

Pioli Joining the Chiefs?

The guys at Patriots Insiders seem to think so.
If you have an account, take a look.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=121&f=1855&t=3636459&p=2
For those that don't have an account, the basics are that they have been told by "MULTIPLE SOURCES" off the record of course, that Pioli might be joining the Chiefs as early as this week.

We'll see...stay tuned.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by chief103182

WTF?!?!? Telemundo's finest?

[ArrowheadHawk]

I'd like to see something solid. Not just rumors. Maybee today?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports...yword=topstory

KC is perfect place for Pioli
On Pro Football
Bill Burt

Upon hearing rumors he might be dealt to the "dreaded" New York Yankees after the 1959 season, Roger Maris expressed trepidation.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York," he told reporters. "They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City."

Well, Patriots general manager Scott Pioli may soon understand Maris' sentiment. In fact, Pioli may have the opportunity to get his cake and eat it, too. He has been offered one of the richest contracts ever for a football operations CEO and with the chance to reside in one of the most pleasant places in America, Kansas City.

All that awaits, apparently, is his signature.

Well, here's some cheap advice from one of the most cynical regions of the country: Sign it.

That's right, it's time.

Pioli has spent nine years, most of them very fruitful, doing what he promised at his opening press conference, which was help build a "team."

He has been asked to leave a few times before — by Seattle Seahawks and New York Giants most notably — and every time it has been, "thanks but no thanks."

His loyalty to his mentor, Bill Belichick, his quality of life and the fact that the New England Patriots are in the midst of a historic run have all played a role in his decision to stay.

But times have changed, including the current opportunity.

The Kansas City Chiefs opening is a grand one. In fact, controversial Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock calls is the best in pro football.

He might be right.

There are a lot of things in place, like the Hunt family, which is among the classiest in professional sports. They don't hire and fire people based on which way the wind is blowing. The fact that Carl Peterson was the GM and president for 20 years says volumes of their commitment to people.

Another intriguing aspect of the job is that Pioli and his potential new boss, Chiefs chairman, Clark Hunt, are the same age (43). Growing the Chiefs into a winner, as they grow old together, might be the cherry on top of Pioli's decision.

Hunt not only finished first in his class at Southern Methodist University (SMU), but he was a captain of the school's nationally ranked men's soccer team.

So this is no geek here. This owner understands winning on and off the field as well as any of his peers.

The Chiefs need special intervention here.

Sunday will mark the 39th anniversary of the Chiefs only Super Bowl (IV) championship, a 23-7 win over the Minnesota Vikings. They have not been back since.

In fact, they haven't been close.

Three times they were among the NFL regular season powers, finishing 13-3, and those three times they didn't win a playoff game.

In fact, since their Super Bowl victory the Chiefs record in January playoff games is 3-12.

That's where Pioli comes in.

He has time, resources and a rabid football loving community at his beck and call. He also has that "quality of life" thing that the aforementioned Roger Maris waxed poetic about a half-century earlier.

Barring back door pillaging (see Eric Mangini to the Jets in January 2006), Belichick and Pioli will always be friends and Nantucket neighbors.

Pioli is ready to run his own franchise with his own coach, University of Iowa's Kirk Ferentz, who Pioli worked with from 1993 through 1996.

As for his hits and misses, the positive side of Pioli's ledger far outweighs the negative side.

A few of his highlights?

Quarterback Tom Brady was chosen 199th overall in the 2000 draft. Matt Light, who was find at Purdue (48th overall), has been a mainstay at the all-important left tackle position since 2001. And the drafting of Richard Seymour, which was railed by many in the local media, with the sixth overall pick.

Then there was the signing of street free agent Roman Phifer, the trade for Corey Dillon, the trade for Wes Welker and the drafting of college backup quarterback Matt Cassel.

Lowlights?

Other than his wasting several valuable selections on mediocre tight ends and failing to find replacements at the cornerback position, there is not much to rail about.

As for the Patriots, Pioli won't leave the cupboard bare.

After a mini-slump at the top of the last few NFL drafts — no borderline stars — the selection of linebacker Jerod Mayo last April appears to be the beginning of a renewed focus on the defensive side of the ball.

There is also an able replacement, Nick Caserio, another Belichick lifer, in line to be vice president of player personnel after eight seasons behind the scenes. Caserio needs some grooming, especially when it comes to handling contracts, but he'll be learning from a Hall of Famer in the head coach's office.

Belichick lost both of his coordinators, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis, after the 2004 Super Bowl championship season. He then groomed two "kids" Josh McDaniels (on offense) and Eric Mangini (on defense). A year later, Mangini left. And the year after that? The Patriots were one win away from a perfect season.

As much as we would like to think about it, Pioli wasn't going to do 30 years here. Heck, five more years probably would have been too much. That kind of longevity just doesn't happen any more.

Pioli's job, despite everything appearing to be in order, won't be easy. There are 31 other franchises, including one guided by Belichick, who sleeps about half the amount the rest of us do.

My only advice would be this:

Find a Tom Brady. He can make a lot of people wearing Chief logos look very smart.

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[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports...yword=topstory

KC is perfect place for Pioli
On Pro Football
Bill Burt

Upon hearing rumors he might be dealt to the "dreaded" New York Yankees after the 1959 season, Roger Maris expressed trepidation.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York," he told reporters. "They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City."

Well, Patriots general manager Scott Pioli may soon understand Maris' sentiment. In fact, Pioli may have the opportunity to get his cake and eat it, too. He has been offered one of the richest contracts ever for a football operations CEO and with the chance to reside in one of the most pleasant places in America, Kansas City.

All that awaits, apparently, is his signature.

Well, here's some cheap advice from one of the most cynical regions of the country: Sign it.

That's right, it's time.

Pioli has spent nine years, most of them very fruitful, doing what he promised at his opening press conference, which was help build a "team."

He has been asked to leave a few times before — by Seattle Seahawks and New York Giants most notably — and every time it has been, "thanks but no thanks."

His loyalty to his mentor, Bill Belichick, his quality of life and the fact that the New England Patriots are in the midst of a historic run have all played a role in his decision to stay.

But times have changed, including the current opportunity.

The Kansas City Chiefs opening is a grand one. In fact, controversial Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock calls is the best in pro football.

He might be right.

There are a lot of things in place, like the Hunt family, which is among the classiest in professional sports. They don't hire and fire people based on which way the wind is blowing. The fact that Carl Peterson was the GM and president for 20 years says volumes of their commitment to people.

Another intriguing aspect of the job is that Pioli and his potential new boss, Chiefs chairman, Clark Hunt, are the same age (43). Growing the Chiefs into a winner, as they grow old together, might be the cherry on top of Pioli's decision.

Hunt not only finished first in his class at Southern Methodist University (SMU), but he was a captain of the school's nationally ranked men's soccer team.

So this is no geek here. This owner understands winning on and off the field as well as any of his peers.

The Chiefs need special intervention here.

Sunday will mark the 39th anniversary of the Chiefs only Super Bowl (IV) championship, a 23-7 win over the Minnesota Vikings. They have not been back since.

In fact, they haven't been close.

Three times they were among the NFL regular season powers, finishing 13-3, and those three times they didn't win a playoff game.

In fact, since their Super Bowl victory the Chiefs record in January playoff games is 3-12.

That's where Pioli comes in.

He has time, resources and a rabid football loving community at his beck and call. He also has that "quality of life" thing that the aforementioned Roger Maris waxed poetic about a half-century earlier.

Barring back door pillaging (see Eric Mangini to the Jets in January 2006), Belichick and Pioli will always be friends and Nantucket neighbors.

Pioli is ready to run his own franchise with his own coach, University of Iowa's Kirk Ferentz, who Pioli worked with from 1993 through 1996.

As for his hits and misses, the positive side of Pioli's ledger far outweighs the negative side.

A few of his highlights?

Quarterback Tom Brady was chosen 199th overall in the 2000 draft. Matt Light, who was find at Purdue (48th overall), has been a mainstay at the all-important left tackle position since 2001. And the drafting of Richard Seymour, which was railed by many in the local media, with the sixth overall pick.

Then there was the signing of street free agent Roman Phifer, the trade for Corey Dillon, the trade for Wes Welker and the drafting of college backup quarterback Matt Cassel.

Lowlights?

Other than his wasting several valuable selections on mediocre tight ends and failing to find replacements at the cornerback position, there is not much to rail about.

As for the Patriots, Pioli won't leave the cupboard bare.

After a mini-slump at the top of the last few NFL drafts — no borderline stars — the selection of linebacker Jerod Mayo last April appears to be the beginning of a renewed focus on the defensive side of the ball.

There is also an able replacement, Nick Caserio, another Belichick lifer, in line to be vice president of player personnel after eight seasons behind the scenes. Caserio needs some grooming, especially when it comes to handling contracts, but he'll be learning from a Hall of Famer in the head coach's office.

Belichick lost both of his coordinators, Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis, after the 2004 Super Bowl championship season. He then groomed two "kids" Josh McDaniels (on offense) and Eric Mangini (on defense). A year later, Mangini left. And the year after that? The Patriots were one win away from a perfect season.

As much as we would like to think about it, Pioli wasn't going to do 30 years here. Heck, five more years probably would have been too much. That kind of longevity just doesn't happen any more.

Pioli's job, despite everything appearing to be in order, won't be easy. There are 31 other franchises, including one guided by Belichick, who sleeps about half the amount the rest of us do.

My only advice would be this:

Find a Tom Brady. He can make a lot of people wearing Chief logos look very smart.

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Wow, It sounds like we've already offered a contract.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Wow, It sounds like we've already offered a contract.

Just sign it.