Chiefs Cowher is NOT Marty - Page 3

chiefzilla1501 · 12-30-2008, 01:51 AM

I don't know why people are peddling around this idea that Cowher is Marty v.2

-Cowher won a Super Bowl, Marty won 0
-Cowher has been to two Super Bowls, Marty has been to 0
-Cowher won 12 playoff games to Marty's 5 (in 6 less seasons)
-Cowher loves to run trick plays, fake punts, and go for it on 4th down, Marty does not

Yes, Marty and the Chin run the same defense. Yes, they both love to run the ball. But the similiarities end there.

We don't hate Marty because he loved to run the ball, we hate him because h loved to run the ball in the wrong situations and fell into a shell with the game on the line. We don't hate Marty because he couldn't win, he hate him because he couldn't win when the game counted. In other words, we don't hate him because of his coaching style, we had him because of the coaching decisions he made when the game was on the line in the playoffs.

Cowher doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I have NEVER heard anyone refer to his Steelers as a Marty-ball team.

Let's stop all these bullshit discussions about how Cowher is another version of Marty. He's not.

SPATCH · 12-30-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Greg Robinson FTW!!

i was kidding... neil smith, romanowski, mobley, keith traylor, steve atwater, ray crockett...

that defense is what is keeping greg robinson in football to this day. they were sick.

googlegoogle · 12-30-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

good points dane

**Rausch** · 12-30-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Tomcazk was a b/u forced into duty.
Graham was a b/u forced into duty.
Stewart was a WR/BU forced into duty.
Maddox was a b/u forced into duty.
O'Donnell was a "Girbac-esque" move. No character at all.

The difference was he WON playoff games with these douchebags. He didn't piss them away like Marty. Not choking to inferior teams, he OVERACHIEVED with garbage at QB.

And unless there's some huge change in direction that removes us from the last 30 years of Chiefs history I'd say that makes him the PERFECT HC for this team.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

I don't even think you believe this...

TEX · 12-30-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

Oh - BTW - when did they WIN the Super Bowl? Guess When? When Ben started...

You're wrong on so many levels. Big Ben was not forecd on him at all. Cowher actually called him and told him that if still there when the Steelers picked, they would draft him.

Even when you spew total BS, it shows that Cowher grew as a coach because he CHANGED. Jeez... he ALWAYS WON!

Cowher would be the best coach the Chiefs have had since Hank Stram. I can't understand how anyone would not welcome him as HC.

**mlyonsd** · 12-30-2008, 09:28 AM

I'd take Cowher in a heart beat.

Mr. Plow · 12-30-2008, 09:56 AM

As long as Herm is gone, I'll be pretty happy.

TEX · 12-30-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

As long as Herm is gone, I'll be pretty happy.

Me too. It honestly can't get any worse than Herm.

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 10:25 AM

Yeah Big Ben was FORCED on Cowher.

BMFS. I love how people just make shit up to enforce their argument around here.

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 10:27 AM

Cowher changed his philosophy to fit his personel, and turned Tommy ****in Maddox into gun slinger. The guy can win with what he's given.

chiefsngop · 12-30-2008, 11:27 AM

Pittsburgh has proven over the years that they have a great system in place.

Cowher didn't carry that team on his back.

I believe the problem most have with Billy C is that he had the talent to get to the big one season after season and yet kept failing.

It wasn't until the talent level of that team became so incredibly high and dominant that he couldn't help but get to the Super Bowl.

And with the amount of rebuilding left to do with this team I would rather have a coach who can get us to the next level without needing absolute dominance at almost every position.

We need a coach who can take a team that's 80% of the way there and operate a chess match to make us play like we're really 100% of the way there.

Otherwise, we're looking at a 5 year rebuild before being competitive.

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 11:29 AM

98 broncs weren't better than the Steelers. Haa haa. Dane just keeps kicking out the classics.

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Pittsburgh has proven over the years that they have a great system in place.

Cowher didn't carry that team on his back.

I believe the problem most have with Billy C is that he had the talent to get to the big one season after season and yet kept failing.

It wasn't until the talent level of that team became so incredibly high and dominant that he couldn't help but get to the Super Bowl.

And with the amount of rebuilding left to do with this team I would rather have a coach who can get us to the next level without needing absolute dominance at almost every position.

We need a coach who can take a team that's 80% of the way there and operate a chess match to make us play like we're really 100% of the way there.

Otherwise, we're looking at a 5 year rebuild before being competitive.

I don't think any of those teams he had were head, and shoulders better than the teams he played against. As a matter of fact they weren't.

How many SBs was he supposed to go to?
2 in 15 yrs is horrible??? we haven't won 1 PO game in 15 yrs. He's won 12.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 12-30-2008, 11:37 AM

I never said Cowher = Marty. I said Cowher = a luckier version of Marty. Subtle difference.

We could do worse than Cowher (see Edwards)... but I don't see him being the solution Chiefs fans want. He won one SB with a team that should have been a Pats-like juggernaut imo. Better than KC... yes. The best we can do... I don't feel it.

Frazod · 12-30-2008, 11:37 AM

I love the way people point to the $tealer$ $uper Bowl win, forgetting that the official$ were so ****ing bent that they might as well have been wearing Pitt$burgh uniforms.

And Rothlisberger played liked shit that day, too.

Mr. Plow · 12-30-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Me too. It honestly can't get any worse than Herm.

I actually refer to the Marty teams as "The Good Years".

12-30-2008, 01:51 AM
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1535503	Cowher is NOT Marty I don't know why people are peddling around this idea that Cowher is Marty v.2 -Cowher won a Super Bowl, Marty won 0 -Cowher has been to two Super Bowls, Marty has been to 0 -Cowher won 12 playoff games to Marty's 5 (in 6 less seasons) -Cowher loves to run trick plays, fake punts, and go for it on 4th down, Marty does not Yes, Marty and the Chin run the same defense. Yes, they both love to run the ball. But the similiarities end there. We don't hate Marty because he loved to run the ball, we hate him because h loved to run the ball in the wrong situations and fell into a shell with the game on the line. We don't hate Marty because he couldn't win, he hate him because he couldn't win when the game counted. In other words, we don't hate him because of his coaching style, we had him because of the coaching decisions he made when the game was on the line in the playoffs. Cowher doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I have NEVER heard anyone refer to his Steelers as a Marty-ball team. Let's stop all these bullshit discussions about how Cowher is another version of Marty. He's not.
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12-30-2008, 09:28 AM	#35
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12-30-2008, 09:56 AM	#36
Mr. Plow In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $-1342609	As long as Herm is gone, I'll be pretty happy.
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12-30-2008, 10:25 AM	#38
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	Yeah Big Ben was FORCED on Cowher. BMFS. I love how people just make shit up to enforce their argument around here.
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12-30-2008, 10:27 AM	#39
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	Cowher changed his philosophy to fit his personel, and turned Tommy ****in Maddox into gun slinger. The guy can win with what he's given.
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12-30-2008, 11:27 AM	#40
chiefsngop Starter Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Pittsburgh has proven over the years that they have a great system in place. Cowher didn't carry that team on his back. I believe the problem most have with Billy C is that he had the talent to get to the big one season after season and yet kept failing. It wasn't until the talent level of that team became so incredibly high and dominant that he couldn't help but get to the Super Bowl. And with the amount of rebuilding left to do with this team I would rather have a coach who can get us to the next level without needing absolute dominance at almost every position. We need a coach who can take a team that's 80% of the way there and operate a chess match to make us play like we're really 100% of the way there. Otherwise, we're looking at a 5 year rebuild before being competitive. __________________ We'll be fine. At least Carl Peterson's 5 year plan is finally completed.
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12-30-2008, 11:29 AM	#41
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4018036	98 broncs weren't better than the Steelers. Haa haa. Dane just keeps kicking out the classics.
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12-30-2008, 11:37 AM	#43
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	I never said Cowher = Marty. I said Cowher = a luckier version of Marty. Subtle difference. We could do worse than Cowher (see Edwards)... but I don't see him being the solution Chiefs fans want. He won one SB with a team that should have been a Pats-like juggernaut imo. Better than KC... yes. The best we can do... I don't feel it.
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12-30-2008, 11:37 AM	#44
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-536615	I love the way people point to the $tealer$ $uper Bowl win, forgetting that the official$ were so ****ing bent that they might as well have been wearing Pitt$burgh uniforms. And Rothlisberger played liked shit that day, too.
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