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Old 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM  
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More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008


TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."



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Old 11-22-2008, 04:45 PM   #91
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I would like you to show me one post that even insinuates that Thigpen would have performed at this level.

If you do do, I'll give you props. Until then, I call a big BS.
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Exactly.

The Chiefs were in a position to score two more times today and failed. One was a missed field goal, the other on the goal line.

I know people are going to bitch, bitch, bitch but for 7th round QB who was waived from his team who played against 1-AA competition, the kid has performed beyond my expectations.

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What the **** is the point of playing Huard? Come on, Mic. Tell us.

Huard's a washed up, never was. Tyler Thigpen is young player who put the Chiefs in a position to score 4 times in his second start and scored twice.

Let him GROW. He played better this week than last week and my guess is that he only gets better.

Huard only gets hurt. And hurts the team.
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First off, they're essentially the youngest team in the league. They aren't "used" to losing because most of these guys are rookies. Secondly, Thigpen hasn't been horrible. He's a 7th round 1-AA guy forced into starting.

Do any of you actually think that Tony Romo would have performed better if he had been forced into starting for the Cowboy 3 1/2 seasons before he played?

I don't think he would have done as well, frankly.
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Regardless of his QB rating or what the talking heads have to say, Thigpen drove his team down the field twice and scored touchdowns yesterday and put them in a position to score twice more. He's grown from last week.

And you want to bench that guy in favor of a 35-year-old Never Was with a noodle arm? Seriously?

Huard wouldn't have last 3 series yesterday against that pass rush. Thigpen's running and escapability yesterday is what gave the Chiefs a chance to score.
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Sorry, Man. I'd take Thigpen any day of the week over Huard. Imperfections and all.

See, Thigpen actually has a chance to become a solid NFL QB. Huard's had his chance and failed.

It may take him the entire season. Or a few more years. Who knows? But he's got far more upside than Huard. He's also got youthful enthusiasm.

I'll take all of that any day of the week over Noodle-Arm. Warts and all.
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:55 PM   #92
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I said Croyle would get hurt and Thigpen would lead us to the Super Bowl. I'm still not sold on him, but I don't see QB as one of our biggest needs as of right now.
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:58 PM   #93
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So you said that Thigpen should be starting(like everyone else, except the Huard ball suckers.)

And you said that Thigpen has an chance to become a solid NFL QB.

I'm really not trying to be an ass here, but I said no one predicted Thiggy to be playing at this level. A lot of us were on the start thiggy wagon, and thought he might improve, but noone predicted him to play this well, and there's nothing in those posts to say you did either, but you did say "the kid has played well above my expectations."

That said, I'm not trying to argue or say you didn't have high expectations for him. Plus you did pull hard for him to stay in the lineup. So prop things to you Mr. Mcloud.
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Old 11-22-2008, 07:35 PM   #94
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:52 PM   #95
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So, uh, Wilkerson had 2 sacks today.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:06 PM   #96
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So, uh, Wilkerson had 2 sacks today.
Wow, some people thought he was worthless. He is now within shouting distance of passing the Chiefs' entire D-Line in sacks this year.

We shall just wait and see, but keep the crow warm for the haters in the mean-time.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:07 PM   #97
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Wow, some people thought he was worthless. He is now within shouting distance of passing the Chiefs' entire D-Line in sacks this year.

We shall just wait and see, but keep the crow warm for the haters in the mean-time.
16 players have more sacks than the Chiefs team.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:11 PM   #98
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16 players have more sacks than the Chiefs team.
That is sad and pathetic.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:13 PM   #99
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So, uh, Wilkerson had 2 sacks today.
Good evaluation Gun.
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the Chiefs aren't going to get 13 sacks this year...no ****ing way...disgusting disgusting disgusting team...rebuilding isn't even an excuse for this abortion of a defense (and special teams)...
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