Chiefs More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent - Page 6

B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008

TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-22-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Cowher, just shoot me now.

You're right; let's keep Herm. What the **** was I thinking?

Mecca · 11-22-2008, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

You're right; let's keep Herm. What the **** was I thinking?

Most of us would like to get some front office people and coaches that have no past ties to the organization.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-22-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Most of us would like to get some front office people and coaches that have no past ties to the organization.

That's reasonable, but Cowher's ties and/or loyalty bonds to Hunt and Carl can't be too deep, right?
I mean, he did hit the bricks under Carl's watch, yes? I'm guessing any Arrowhead Loyalty he might possess lies squarely with Schottenheimer.

And, it would be a Total Control situation anyway; Carl would have NO part in that picture. It's a pipe-dream; our ownership doesn't have the stones or the cash to make a move like that.

Though I do have a somewhat inside-source who informed me that Bill's name was being tossed around in a very serious way prior to the emergence of Thigpen/Gailey. Whether it's still on important lips these days, I couldn't say.

Maybe I'll get nosy and find out.

**jjchieffan** · 11-22-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, do you mean Ryan Sims?

I guess I do. I thought it was Simms.

milkman · 11-22-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Kawika Mitchell looked better when surrounded by Aaron Ross, Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, et al?

You don't say?

I think the Chiefs played Mitchell out of position for 4 years. I think Chiefs defensive coaches should be fired and never allowed to coach in the NFL again.

But I don't think that Mitchell is anything better than an average OLB. Could the Chiefs use that? Of course.

The Chiefs need help everywhere.

Even with playing out of position, Mitchell was called Kaweaka, in part, because of poor tackling.

He's moved on and his tackling has improved substantially.

Among the other problems, one of the most obvious is that ****her's defenders are among the worst tacklers.

chiefsngop · 11-22-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, give me a ****ing break.

Wilkerson has 15 ****ing tackles!

How is THAT development?

Especially after 4 years in Kansas City.

The guy is what he is: a 6th round draft choice that is hanging on by a thread in the NFL.

Big. ****ing. Deal.

This is correct.

An average to below average D-lineman's stats will go up when surrounded with talented linebackers and other talented D-lineman.

They suck up blockers, close holes, and force outside intended runs back into the heap in the middle.

I wouldn't defend this coaching staff or front office to save my life, but come on it's Jimmy f***ing Wilkerson !

CoMoChief · 11-22-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop

This is correct.

An average to below average D-lineman's stats will go up when surrounded with talented linebackers and other talented D-lineman.

They suck up blockers, close holes, and force outside intended runs back into the heap in the middle.

I wouldn't defend this coaching staff or front office to save my life, but come on it's Jimmy f***ing Wilkerson !

Last season when he played he played well and he was young. No reason not to keep the guy. Just like Jared Allen. The people on here that bash him are reeruned.

It's not just a coincidence that almost all of the former players bash this coaching staff and organization.

Carl's an ass, and our coaches are ****ing reeruned.

If Clark was a real owner that gived a shit, he would clean house.

Brock · 11-22-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Last season when he played he played well and he was young. No reason not to keep the guy. Just like Jared Allen. The people on here that bash him are reeruned.

It's not just a coincidence that almost all of the former players bash this coaching staff and organization.

Carl's an ass, and our coaches are ****ing reeruned.

If Clark was a real owner that gived a shit, he would clean house.

Says the dumbass who wanted Damon Huard to start over Thigpen.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-22-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If Clark was a real owner that gived a shit...

Well, he's not and never will be.

Get over it.

CoMoChief · 11-22-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Says the dumbass who wanted Damon Huard to start over Thigpen.

In the offense that we were running then.......yes, I wouldve started Huard, a proven veteran QB over someone whos never been in a live game and only given one weeks preparation. Not exactly a stupid thing to do.

Ill be the first to admit I was wrong about Thigpen, he can play in this league......under the right circumstances.

beach tribe · 11-22-2008, 03:54 PM

Everyone we wrong about Thigpen, but that doesn't mean Huard should have bee starting for any reaon.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-22-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Everyone we wrong about Thigpen, but that doesn't mean Huard should have bee starting for any reaon.

I wasn't

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-22-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Everyone we wrong about Thigpen, but that doesn't mean Huard should have bee starting for any reaon.

I was wrong about Thiggy Pop. Prior to the 'Great Light Switch Turn On' of 2008, I felt like we didn't have one single Quarterback on this team.
AND BEFORE YOU LUG NUTS EVEN START, I'LL SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE:

Response "A" : We still don't; draft Stafford.

Response "B" : Thigpen hasn't won a game; draft Stafford.

Response "C" : I have a man-crush; draft Stafford.

Response "D": I gave Stafford a Reach-A-Round if he promised to come to Kansas City; draft Stafford.

Response "E": My Mangina hurts; draft Stafford.

And so on and so forth...

CoMoChief · 11-22-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Everyone we wrong about Thigpen, but that doesn't mean Huard should have bee starting for any reaon.

At that time, he was the best QB we had, no matter how much he sucked, thats just how bad our situation is at QB.

People seem to forget it was Huard, not Trent Green that led us to the playoffs in 2006. And MANY on here wanted Huard to start against Indy.....not that it woulda mattered with the neuterd game plan we had that week but still.

beach tribe · 11-22-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I wasn't

I would like you to show me one post that even insinuates that Thigpen would have performed at this level.

If you do do, I'll give you props. Until then, I call a big BS.

EDIT: a post saying that Thigpen should be starting means nothing.

11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless. Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer In print: Friday, November 21, 2008 TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays. Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead. It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention. Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left. Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands. "We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about." After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming. "My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs. They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended. "Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team. "I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing." He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again. "I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?" How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field? Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year. "Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel. "It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down." Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks. Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow. "We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations." [Last modified: Nov 21, 2008 06:12 PM]
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