Chiefs More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent - Page 5

B_Ambuehl · 11-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece

Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless.

Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him
By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer
In print: Friday, November 21, 2008

TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays.

Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead.

It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention.

Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left.

Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands.

"We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about."

After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming.

"My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs.

They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended.

"Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team.

"I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing."

He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again.

"I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?"

How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field?

Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year.

"Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel.

"It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down."

Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks.

Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow.

"We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations."

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RustShack · 11-21-2008, 10:40 PM

We need to draft players who can develop themselves.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I've watched this guy in about 5 games this year for Tampa. He's 100x better than he ever played around here. I don't care about tackles. He's blown up several plays.

He never did that here.

That comes down to coaching.

Are you really arguing that we have coaches that can get the most out of players?

No, I'm not saying that the Chiefs coaches are getting the most out of their respective players.

I'm saying that Wilkerson is a bum. And if some Tampa beat writer had something better to write about today, no one would even be discussing him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-21-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

COACHING. COACHING. COACHING.

Kawika Mitchell is a much better football player since he left KC. Not even close. The point is, we really don't know how good a lot of these guys are because we are relying on a horrible coaching staff to DEVELOP these players.

Kawika Mitchell looked better when surrounded by Aaron Ross, Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, et al?

You don't say?

I think the Chiefs played Mitchell out of position for 4 years. I think Chiefs defensive coaches should be fired and never allowed to coach in the NFL again.

But I don't think that Mitchell is anything better than an average OLB. Could the Chiefs use that? Of course.

The Chiefs need help everywhere.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-21-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

We need to draft players who can develop themselves.

Throw in a towel boy who can "develop" good micro-brew out of Carl's newly vacated office, then pass it out for free to us fans in the stands, and I'm down with that.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-21-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You're right.

Gailey is absolutely 100% the only one.

Gunther is bar-none the worst DC in the entire NFL.

Who's your vote for new Head Coach? Hypothetically speaking of course.

Since we're in Fantasy Land anyway, I've been pining for some "Chin-age" to storm the sidelines for about a year and a half.

Or hell, just ANYONE with some brains in their head and fire in their gut!

beach tribe · 11-21-2008, 11:23 PM

Although I agree with our coaches being morons, this is a total homer article.

Wilerson has started 5 games, and has 3 sacks in damn near 6 yrs.

Whoopty fucin doo. Way to go charlie husltle. Who gives a shit.

macdawg · 11-21-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But I don't think that Mitchell is anything better than an average OLB. Could the Chiefs use that? Of course.

The Chiefs need help everywhere.

I agree Mitchell should have strictly been an OLB and that playing with Tuck/Strahan/etc makes him look better but he is above average MLB, Mitchell is a speed/strength freak and has good awareness IMO. His improvement is more than being surrounded with better players, coaching has got to be a factor. When you can't get guys to perform and they go elsewhere and perform then there is a coaching problem.

Is the coaching problem x's and o's? Perhaps.
Is the coaching problem being too strict or too leniant, or handling certain players the wrong way, showing preference to certain players, locker room problems? Perhaps.

Could be anything but clearly coaching can't be dismissed here.

**jjchieffan** · 11-22-2008, 01:30 AM

How about that ex-Chief that the Bucs TRADED for? Boy he is tearing up the league now.

Some players work out better in different systems, others are just fat pieces of shit with no talent. Now if Simms had turned his career around in TB, I would be upset.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-22-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

How about that ex-Chief that the Bucs TRADED for? Boy he is tearing up the league now.

Some players work out better in different systems, others are just fat pieces of shit with no talent. Now if Simms had turned his career around in TB, I would be upset.

The Bucs were foolish to cut Chris Simms.

They need a QBOTF.

Maybe we can trade Thigpen to them after we draft Stafford.

And LJ.

ChiefsCountry · 11-22-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Since we're in Fantasy Land anyway, I've been pining for some "Chin-age" to storm the sidelines for about a year and a half.

Cowher, just shoot me now.

**jjchieffan** · 11-22-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Bucs were foolish to cut Chris Simms.

They need a QBOTF.

Maybe we can trade Thigpen to them after we draft Stafford.

And LJ.

???

I was talking about Ryan Simms.

ChiefsCountry · 11-22-2008, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

???

I was talking about Ryan Simms.

Its Sims, not Simms.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-22-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

???

I was talking about Ryan Simms.

Oh, do you mean Ryan Sims?

Mecca · 11-22-2008, 01:40 AM

Kendall Gammons?

Branden Alberts?

ChiefsCountry · 11-22-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Kendall Gammons?

Branden Alberts?

Chase Daniels?

11-21-2008, 05:16 PM
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	More proof these coaches and decision makers are incompetent http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...icle911430.ece Jimmy Wilkerson kicking ass and taking names. The funny thing is how Herm tried to talk bad about him after drafting Turk McBride when McBride has done nothing but prove to be the definition of useless. Wilkerson's play has Tampa Bay Buccaneers finding a bigger role for him By Stephen F. Holder, Times Staff Writer In print: Friday, November 21, 2008 TAMPA — Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, attempting to inspire his players the night before Sunday's game against the Vikings, showed a highlight tape filled exclusively with all-out-hustle plays. Some involved a defender not giving up on running down a streaking ballcarrier. Others showed the potential payoff for playing until the whistle and never assuming a play is dead. It's now clear that at least one guy in that room was paying close attention. Sunday, Jimmy Wilkerson watched as Vikings running back Chester Taylor burst through the defensive front and caught a pass from Gus Frerotte with his mind focused on scoring the winning touchdown with just more than a minute left. Wilkerson had other ideas. He ran Taylor down from behind and stripped him of the ball. When the play was over, cornerback Ronde Barber had recovered the ball, holding it and victory in his hands. "We had that film with (Derrick) Brooks and Barber and all the great hustle plays we've had here," Kiffin said. "I think we might be seeing Jimmy Wilkerson on there sometime. That was a great hustle play. That's what it's all about." After a sack, a forced fumble and five tackles against Minnesota, Wilkerson, 27, is beginning to show what he might do in an expanded role, one that Wilkerson, a career special-teamer until this season, believes has been a long time coming. "My playing time is not even close," Wilkerson said when asked to compare his experience this year with that of his first five seasons, all with the Chiefs. They were anonymous years, with Wilkerson starting five games and never gaining a place in the regular rotation. His two starts last season came at defensive end only because Pro Bowl player Jared Allen was suspended. "Sometimes I'd play three snaps, five snaps, maybe 10 snaps if I was lucky," he said. "I played more on special teams than I did on defense. It had been like that for basically five years. Now, I'm averaging about 20 snaps a game on defense, and I'm on just about every special team. "I'm having fun, man. In Kansas City I was just basically mad all the time. I'd take it out on people on special teams. I had a lot of frustrations and was mad at the coaches, wondering why I wasn't playing." He took those concerns to defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Told by Cunningham the front office would have to address his issue, Wilkerson went there for answers. Then, like a caller trapped in an automated phone system, he was bounced around again. "I went to management and asked them the same question," he said. "I was told that the coaches wanted to play the young guys that they drafted. That didn't make any sense to me. Here you had me, a guy with years of experience in the system against guys who were just out of college and just learning the system. They're getting playing time before me?" How, then, did the Bucs come to recognize the former Oklahoma Sooner's suitability for their defense when he so rarely was on the field? Tried and true scouting methods that have uncovered defensive gems such as Jovan Haye and Greg White are the reason Wilkerson's number was among the first the Bucs dialed on the first day of free agency this year. "Part of the thing we saw in Jimmy in preseason film and the little bit of regular-season film we saw was the Buc defensive line characteristics that we always try to find," said Mark Dominik, in his seventh season as director of pro personnel. "It's that high-energy pursuit and toughness. He showed those. And you also saw a guy who looked like he had some instincts and could locate the ball and attack and pursue from the backside. If there was a play it didn't look like he could make, he'd still try to run it down." Those are skills Wilkerson, 6 feet 2, 290 pounds, has shown of late as he forces coaches to find a place for him in the rotation. He is frequently used as a nickel rusher, playing on the interior defensive line in passing situations. At other times, he switches to left defensive end, where he helped create a consistent pass rush against Minnesota that yielded five sacks. Wilkerson's role is the biggest of his career. The only question is whether it continues to grow. "We thought he was a good player," Kiffin said. "But really, he's exceeded our expectations." [Last modified: Nov 21, 2008 06:12 PM]
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