Chiefs This offense shouldn't be too hard to fix - Page 3

**RealSNR** · 09-16-2008, 11:56 AM

The only thing that really needs fixing is Herm. If these guys play together for long enough, they'll get used to the new feel.

Let me back up a bit.

Remember Gunther's 2nd year as head coach? The first year was all about stubbornly running the football 30,000 times per game with the "Dreamteam" backfield of Rashaan Sheehee, Mike Cloud, and Bam Morris.

Offensive production was absolutely pathetic for the most part in some games. Teams stacked 8 men in the box like they do now because they knew all we would do was run another damned draw play. However, this was also the year that we REALLY discovered what a gem we had in Tony Gonzalez. In Gun's 2nd year, this would only get better.

By the 2nd year, our backfield arguably got worse at the beginning of the season, and the great offensive genious that was Jimmy Raye still had us playing predictable football. It was that Rams game that really turned everything around for us. Then we played the Rams and a change happened. We stretched the field. Derrick Alexander turned into a big-play receiver. Kevin Lockett was an okay slot guy. Tony started the trend of big-play TEs in the league again. All because we started passing more. The running attack continued to die, but we were having A LOT of success throwing the ball and stretching defenses under a knucklehead Elvis Grbac.

Croyle has the arm and he's got the accuracy to lead this team. We need to start taking downfield shots. The only way we got back to running the ball was after we had success chucking it deep. And the only way we had success chucking it deep was if we made several attempts per game. It eventually worked.

We can do this. The problem obviously is Herm's unwillingness to leave the 15-yard zone in front of the offense. It's like if a big play develops outside of that zone, we've become finesse. That's not it at all. I wouldn't call the offense under Jimmy Raye and Gunther Cunningham finesse at all. It was still just as big, dumb, and ugly as ever. But it was EFFECTIVE, and if Gunther weren't so stupid and if the defense weren't already in decline, that would have been a good football team.

What do you think?

Otter · 09-16-2008, 02:03 PM

The guidance systems on the Mars Phoenix Lander isn't too hard to fix either if you have the right engineers.

Guess what the Chiefs are missing?

Chief Faithful · 09-16-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Raiders with as much turmoil and instability they have in the organization are a better off franchise than the KC Chiefs (the best team ever). I know you guys will pull out some stat for the past couple years but I'm talking right now and you can use whatever stats you want but a 23-8 beatdown in Arrowhead says otherwise.

Raiders are 4 years into rebuilding, still have questions all over the roster and turmoil throughout from ownership to lowest levels of coaching and you think it is better off as a franchise? The Chiefs are first year into rebuilding, played their worst game in almost two decades, were down to their third string QB, and they still had a chance to win that game down to the last two minutes. Even right now the Chiefs have more direction and fewer questions as a franchise.

wasi · 09-16-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Raiders with as much turmoil and instability they have in the organization are a better off franchise than the KC Chiefs (the best team ever). I know you guys will pull out some stat for the past couple years but I'm talking right now and you can use whatever stats you want but a 23-8 beatdown in Arrowhead says otherwise.

In my opinion the Raiders should be much further ahead than the Chiefs at this point. With all the top 10 draft picks it speaks a lot about how crappy the Raiders are that they are still even considered in the bottom half of the league.

whoman69 · 09-16-2008, 03:28 PM

The problem with the offense is not just that we have the most conservative coach in the league running the team in his image, its that he let the talent level of the offense drop off the map as well. We will never really know how good Croyle is as long as he has no protection up front and only Bowe and Gonzales as target. Bowe is going through a bit of the sophomore jinx in main part because he is the only true threat this team has. I don't think there's a QB in this league that could shine with the assembled cast that we have.
I'm a believer that it all starts up front. The fact that we accepted cast offs and neverhasbeens to take over integral roles on our team brought about predictable results. I made the comment before the draft that this team was not moving to build an offensive line and got shot down for it. Looking at the results of our offseason moves, does any now doubt that we are not building an offensive line?

bringbackmarty · 09-16-2008, 04:37 PM

The Raiders are slowly getting their shit together, the chiefs haven't finished falling apart quite yet. Once LJ, waters, Edwards, Surtain, and Gonzo all retire at the end of this season because they'd rather retire than come back, then we can really rebuild.

JuicesFlowing · 09-16-2008, 04:55 PM

SBR, you are right, 100%. I'm okay with Croyle as our QB, but Herm's ridiculous philosophy has finally worn me down. I will be happy when he lets the OC actually call the plays. Herm is ruining LJ. I know everyone on Chiefs Planet hates LJ, but the reason LJ never gets the rock 20 times a game and gains 150 yards is because Herman Edwards puts this team in a hole, and we have to pass 40 times to catch up. Herm Edwards is rubbish.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-16-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

SBR, you are right, 100%. I'm okay with Croyle as our QB, but Herm's ridiculous philosophy has finally worn me down. I will be happy when he lets the OC actually call the plays. Herm is ruining LJ. I know everyone on Chiefs Planet hates LJ, but the reason LJ never gets the rock 20 times a game and gains 150 yards is because Herman Edwards puts this team in a hole, and we have to pass 40 times to catch up. Herm Edwards is rubbish.

You're crazy.

The right side of the offensive line is ****ing pathetic.

Jones and McIntosh would not be on any other NFL squad.

That's the root of problem on offense.

Chief Faithful · 09-16-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

SBR, you are right, 100%. I'm okay with Croyle as our QB, but Herm's ridiculous philosophy has finally worn me down. I will be happy when he lets the OC actually call the plays. Herm is ruining LJ. I know everyone on Chiefs Planet hates LJ, but the reason LJ never gets the rock 20 times a game and gains 150 yards is because Herman Edwards puts this team in a hole, and we have to pass 40 times to catch up. Herm Edwards is rubbish.

Herm is the same guy that almost killed LJ by running him 30+ times a game. As long as McIntoad and Jones make up the right side of the line LJ is going to have no chance.

09-16-2008, 11:56 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1294792	This offense shouldn't be too hard to fix The only thing that really needs fixing is Herm. If these guys play together for long enough, they'll get used to the new feel. Let me back up a bit. Remember Gunther's 2nd year as head coach? The first year was all about stubbornly running the football 30,000 times per game with the "Dreamteam" backfield of Rashaan Sheehee, Mike Cloud, and Bam Morris. Offensive production was absolutely pathetic for the most part in some games. Teams stacked 8 men in the box like they do now because they knew all we would do was run another damned draw play. However, this was also the year that we REALLY discovered what a gem we had in Tony Gonzalez. In Gun's 2nd year, this would only get better. By the 2nd year, our backfield arguably got worse at the beginning of the season, and the great offensive genious that was Jimmy Raye still had us playing predictable football. It was that Rams game that really turned everything around for us. Then we played the Rams and a change happened. We stretched the field. Derrick Alexander turned into a big-play receiver. Kevin Lockett was an okay slot guy. Tony started the trend of big-play TEs in the league again. All because we started passing more. The running attack continued to die, but we were having A LOT of success throwing the ball and stretching defenses under a knucklehead Elvis Grbac. Croyle has the arm and he's got the accuracy to lead this team. We need to start taking downfield shots. The only way we got back to running the ball was after we had success chucking it deep. And the only way we had success chucking it deep was if we made several attempts per game. It eventually worked. We can do this. The problem obviously is Herm's unwillingness to leave the 15-yard zone in front of the offense. It's like if a big play develops outside of that zone, we've become finesse. That's not it at all. I wouldn't call the offense under Jimmy Raye and Gunther Cunningham finesse at all. It was still just as big, dumb, and ugly as ever. But it was EFFECTIVE, and if Gunther weren't so stupid and if the defense weren't already in decline, that would have been a good football team. What do you think?
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JuicesFlowing Losing with passion. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oblivion Casino cash: $10004925	SBR, you are right, 100%. I'm okay with Croyle as our QB, but Herm's ridiculous philosophy has finally worn me down. I will be happy when he lets the OC actually call the plays. Herm is ruining LJ. I know everyone on Chiefs Planet hates LJ, but the reason LJ never gets the rock 20 times a game and gains 150 yards is because Herman Edwards puts this team in a hole, and we have to pass 40 times to catch up. Herm Edwards is rubbish.
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