The Patriots make a mockery of the Herm Way of Football - Page 4

FloridaMan88 · 12-09-2007, 10:58 PM

The Patriots showed once again today that the belief that you have to run the ball and have a balanced offense in order to win is an ancient myth... a myth that Herm still holds onto dearly.

This is why Herm will never be a championship caliber head coach in today's NFL.. he will never accept the fact that the great teams today are built around explosive, aggressive passing games and rely on these passing games as their primary source of offense.

The Patriots had NINE freaking rushing attempts all game and just 22 yards rushing for the game. Instead they relied on an aggressive passing game, often times spreading the field with 5 wide and attacking early and often downfield (yes actually passing the ball on FIRST down... a novel concept to Herm) with big passing plays.

Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass.

As long as Herm Edwards is the coach of the Chiefs, this team will continue to be stale, out of date and never a serious contender in today's NFL.

Demonpenz · 12-10-2007, 01:05 AM

can we hire belechecks son

FloridaMan88 · 12-10-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

can we hire belechecks son

Josh McDaniels, the Patriots' offensive coordinator (who looks like he's young enough to be Belichick's son) would be a great choice as the next head coach of the Chiefs.

Scott Pioli as GM, Josh McDaniels as head coach, Mike Martz as offensive coordinator, Mike Leach and Al Saunders on the offensive staff... that would be simply amazing.

Amnorix · 12-10-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass.

Keep in mind -- Patriots, Green Bay, Dallas and Indy, you cited to:

That's Brady, Favre, Romo and Manning. 3 sure-fire, first ballot HOFers and one of the young studs in this league who may also join that category.

I'm not here to defend Herm, but your argument has a bit of a flaw there...

Chief Faithful · 12-10-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Keep in mind -- Patriots, Green Bay, Dallas and Indy, you cited to:

That's Brady, Favre, Romo and Manning. 3 sure-fire, first ballot HOFers and one of the young studs in this league who may also join that category.

I'm not here to defend Herm, but your argument has a bit of a flaw there...

How about the Lions? Their offensive line is as bad as the Chiefs and Martz has that offense flying with Kitna at QB. That is the same offensive scheme as the Chiefs deploy only Martz knows how to use it.

RedThat · 12-10-2007, 10:42 AM

Nonsense.

I disagree totally. Running the ball is an integral part of offensive success. You can't disclude that aspect of the game? No way.

Yeah a lot of us are used to watching the Pats, Colts, GB win with there passing game. So our minds and way of thinking tends to shift and let us believe passing is the way to go or to win in this league? But remember they have the QB's to do it. They have the right personnel to run an effective passing game. The Chiefs on the other hand, don't. Realistically, do the Chiefs have an offensive line that can protect the QB effectively? Do they have the right set of receivers to help make them be more effective in the passing game? do they have the QB? who knows?

Until the Chiefs get an offensive line and QB, I'd be comfortable with them passing the ball. But in all honesty, it boils down to execution imo? If your lineman can't block period, you're going to be unsuccesful no matter what you're trying to do? I also think predictable playcalling doesn't help either? No matter what the Chiefs do, they're just not good. Too predictable.

But still, when the Chiefs had a successful offense, the running game was a big reason why.

**MahiMike** · 12-10-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

If you want to be the Patriots you had better get yourself a hall of fame QB. Right now, there are 3 in the league out of 32 teams so good luck with that.

uh, I don't think Trent Green will be in the HOF. He did a pretty good job using guys a little less talented than Moss and co.

Chiefs_5627 · 12-10-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

How about the Lions? Their offensive line is as bad as the Chiefs and Martz has that offense flying with Kitna at QB. That is the same offensive scheme as the Chiefs deploy only Martz knows how to use it.

Oline as bad as KC's?!? I disagree with that. Kitna isnt a slouch and is a vet, we've been playing with a backup and a young'n. Plus the lions are at .500, so its not likt theyre tearing the league up like the Pats or Colts Os are.

Mr. Laz · 12-10-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Let me know when the Chiefs have a QB that's the same caliber of Brady and receivers in the same league as Moss, Stallworth and Welker.

Oh yeah, and an actual NFL O-line.

Then, we can talk.

chicken or the egg

which came first our crappy offensive players or the coaches that selected and trained them?

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

uh, I don't think Trent Green will be in the HOF. He did a pretty good job using guys a little less talented than Moss and co.

Get a hall of fame line and top notch running game can make the passing game work ie Trent Green & company.

Chief Faithful · 12-10-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Nonsense.

They have the right personnel to run an effective passing game. The Chiefs on the other hand, don't. Realistically, do the Chiefs have an offensive line that can protect the QB effectively? Do they have the right set of receivers to help make them be more effective in the passing game? do they have the QB? who knows?

Seriously, watch the Lions it will impact what you are thinking. Their offensive line is every bit as bad as the Chiefs. The difference is Martz is not scared to be aggressive and knows how to use the same offensive scheme.

Chiefs_5627 · 12-10-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Seriously, watch the Lions it will impact what you are thinking. Their offensive line is every bit as bad as the Chiefs. The difference is Martz is not scared to be aggressive and knows how to use the same offensive scheme.

Look up, theyre line isnt even close to as bad as ours. Theyve got talent and cohesion, they may not be top 5 but they sure aint bottom 5 like ours.

Mr. Laz · 12-10-2007, 10:49 AM

who decided to pick up McIntosh and Chris Terry?

who decided to keep wiegmann even though we were gonna change offensive philosophy?

who decided to simplify the offense down to a 5th grade level?

FringeNC · 12-10-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

who decided to pick up McIntosh and Chris Terry?

who decided to keep wiegmann even though we were gonna change offensive philosophy?

who decided to simplify the offense down to a 5th grade level?

Dick Vermeil?

chagrin · 12-10-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Just kidding.

From the announcer's calls lately, you'd think he was already enshrined.

No doubt and on yahoo's page they have a picture of Romo and Montana side by side - jsut because he engineered a single 2 minute drill against Detroit...once

Amnorix · 12-10-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

How about the Lions? Their offensive line is as bad as the Chiefs and Martz has that offense flying with Kitna at QB. That is the same offensive scheme as the Chiefs deploy only Martz knows how to use it.

Well, let's see. Lions are in the NFC which is mostly weaker, though the NFC North has some good defenses. Kitna is a vet, whereas Chiefs have the QB of the week going on lately, including Croyle, who doesn't have much experience.

I also think I'd take the WR package the Lions have over the Chiefs'. You have the better TE, of course.

And yes, Martz is a helluva OC, I think.

I'm not saying "pass first" isn't a valid philosophy. In teh current NFL, it definitely is. But you've got to scheme to fit your players, and I dont' think the Chiefs have the right talent. Heck, I'm not sure they have the right talent right now for any competent offensive attack scheme, and that's part of the problem. One pro bowl TE, OLineman and RB ain't enough if the component parts aren't really average NFL players at this point in their careers.

12-09-2007, 10:58 PM
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Nonsense. I disagree totally. Running the ball is an integral part of offensive success. You can't disclude that aspect of the game? No way. Yeah a lot of us are used to watching the Pats, Colts, GB win with there passing game. So our minds and way of thinking tends to shift and let us believe passing is the way to go or to win in this league? But remember they have the QB's to do it. They have the right personnel to run an effective passing game. The Chiefs on the other hand, don't. Realistically, do the Chiefs have an offensive line that can protect the QB effectively? Do they have the right set of receivers to help make them be more effective in the passing game? do they have the QB? who knows? Until the Chiefs get an offensive line and QB, I'd be comfortable with them passing the ball. But in all honesty, it boils down to execution imo? If your lineman can't block period, you're going to be unsuccesful no matter what you're trying to do? I also think predictable playcalling doesn't help either? No matter what the Chiefs do, they're just not good. Too predictable. But still, when the Chiefs had a successful offense, the running game was a big reason why.
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