The Patriots make a mockery of the Herm Way of Football - Page 3

FloridaMan88 · 12-09-2007, 10:58 PM

The Patriots showed once again today that the belief that you have to run the ball and have a balanced offense in order to win is an ancient myth... a myth that Herm still holds onto dearly.

This is why Herm will never be a championship caliber head coach in today's NFL.. he will never accept the fact that the great teams today are built around explosive, aggressive passing games and rely on these passing games as their primary source of offense.

The Patriots had NINE freaking rushing attempts all game and just 22 yards rushing for the game. Instead they relied on an aggressive passing game, often times spreading the field with 5 wide and attacking early and often downfield (yes actually passing the ball on FIRST down... a novel concept to Herm) with big passing plays.

Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass.

As long as Herm Edwards is the coach of the Chiefs, this team will continue to be stale, out of date and never a serious contender in today's NFL.

**morphius** · 12-09-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It just illustrates that in todays game you no longer set up the pass by running.....you set up the run by passing.

I'd disagree, it shows that in todays NFL you take advantage of your opponent. If they can't stop the run, you exploit that if they can't cover 3 WR's, you exploit that, etc, etc.

Hootie · 12-09-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

it's been years, I mean Vinny was still starting. I know it happened cause I saw it. And one of my friends lives in that area, he's a Bills fan. We joke about it quite often honestly, it's something that's pretty hard to forget.

I bet it happened...that's why the only two people in the world who know about it is you and some other guy that you're internet friends with...

FloridaMan88 · 12-09-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Just out of curiosity, last year when the 14-2 Chargers had the #2 rushing offense and a passing attack down in the lower teens, did you start a bunch of threads saying "SEE, what you need to do is run the ball" with a bunch of blather about how that's the way the NFL is trending?

Or how about when the 2006 Pats had the 12th ranked pass offense, the 12th ranked rush offense, won 12 games, and were an eyelash from the Super Bowl? Did you start a bunch of threads saying "SEE, what you need to do is run a balanced offense" with a bunch of blather about that's how the NFL is trending?

Or how about when the Bears... oh, nevermind, that'd just be piling on.

What do the 2006 Chargers, Patriots and Bears all have in common? They all didn't win the Super Bowl and two of those teams... the Patriots and the Bears lost to a Colts team that won because of their passing game.

el borracho · 12-09-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

I go straight to the source...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/11...edwards__1114/

HERM EDWARDS: He can throw it and can make all the throws. That’s what he can do. What he has to do is be a manager of the game. He has to know when to take chances and know when not to take chances and score points. That’s what the quarterback has to do.”

Bringing a 2nd year QB along slowly really isn't the same thing as saying he doesn't want a playmaker at QB. If you really think Herm wouldn't trade Croyle for Brady I don't know what to tell you.

Mecca · 12-09-2007, 11:34 PM

Ah well hey to each their own, cause you know I'm one to make shit up all the time.

It's great that you can't have just seen something anymore.

ChiefsCountry · 12-09-2007, 11:34 PM

This thread was started by the tard who thinks Mike Leach would be a great NFL coach.

**KcMizzou** · 12-09-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ah well hey to each their own, cause you know I'm one to make shit up all the time.

It's great that you can't have just seen something anymore.

Do'nt go cut yourself. We're just havin' fun with ya.

el borracho · 12-09-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ah well hey to each their own, cause you know I'm one to make shit up all the time.

It's great that you can't have just seen something anymore.

I actually believe that it happened, for whatever that is worth, but I don't believe Herm was upset that the play resulted in points. Herm strikes me as the type who will get upset on principle- the type of guy who will get angry when a player disobeys the head coach, even if the disobedience has a positive result. I believe you when you say Herm got upset but I don't believe he was upset with the result- only the disobedience.

BigRock · 12-09-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

What do the 2006 Chargers, Patriots and Bears all have in common?

I just explained it. They were among the best teams in the league a year ago, and none of them played the way you keep insisting that all great teams play. That was kind of my point.

And Indy won the Super Bowl with good defense and two RBs who averaged about 100 yards a piece that day. I'm sure you immediately started a thread to declare that's how good teams win.

**Dylan** · 12-10-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have details or specifics of that game?

Unfortunetely, Mecca is correct. Vinny is a vertical QB. The Jets had him dinking and dunking.

Here's the play-by-play game plans from 2001-2007.

http://www.nfl.com/scores?season=2001&week=Week+2

12-10-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'll say it. I don't believe him.

I remember it vaguely.

FloridaMan88 · 12-10-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

This thread was started by the tard who thinks Mike Leach would be a great NFL coach.

You do realize that the Patriots are essentially running a variation of Mike Leach's offense... lots of 5-wides, using short, quick passes as a de-facto running game, etc.

FloridaMan88 · 12-10-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

I just explained it. They were among the best teams in the league a year ago, and none of them played the way you keep insisting that all great teams play. That was kind of my point.

And Indy won the Super Bowl with good defense and two RBs who averaged about 100 yards a piece that day. I'm sure you immediately started a thread to declare that's how good teams win.

Sure an improved defense and a productive running game had a complimentary role in their Super Bowl run... but the heart and the basis of the Colts Super Bowl run was Manning and the passing game.

The Patriots offseason was based on what happened to them in the AFC Championship game vs the Colts and realizing that they had to develop an equally strong passing game in order to beat the Colts.

Zouk · 12-10-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well....I watched Herm go apeshit on Vinny some years back in NY. Vinny changed a play threw a 50 yard TD and Herm went ballistic on him.....I think that's all we need to know about Herm.

I find it completely unbelievable that Herm ever went ballistic on a player on the sideline. And if this really happened you would be able to find many many stories on the Internet referencing it. A coach screaming at a player on the sidelines is something that gets noticed and written about in NY.

My guess is that you misinterpreted what was really Herm yelling at him to fire him up. Something like "they say you can't play anymore" etc. NFL Films has caught him doing lots of that kind of stuff.

Oh Snap · 12-10-2007, 01:02 AM

i think it has more to do with the way the pats attack their opponents weaknesses. the way herm wants to play is obsolete in that establishing an prehistoric identity such as "run first" teams know what to plan for in order to shut you down.

the pats just simply study their opponent, and attack their opponents weaknesses. they dont run run run because they want an identity....they dont believe in having a true identity..and it seems to be working... meanwhile. we're stuck with herm.

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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-497094	The Patriots make a mockery of the Herm Way of Football The Patriots showed once again today that the belief that you have to run the ball and have a balanced offense in order to win is an ancient myth... a myth that Herm still holds onto dearly. This is why Herm will never be a championship caliber head coach in today's NFL.. he will never accept the fact that the great teams today are built around explosive, aggressive passing games and rely on these passing games as their primary source of offense. The Patriots had NINE freaking rushing attempts all game and just 22 yards rushing for the game. Instead they relied on an aggressive passing game, often times spreading the field with 5 wide and attacking early and often downfield (yes actually passing the ball on FIRST down... a novel concept to Herm) with big passing plays. Remember Herm often has said you can't just go back and pass every play and win in the NFL... well tell that to the Patriots. Tell that to Green Bay, Dallas and Indy... all teams that rely heavily on the pass. As long as Herm Edwards is the coach of the Chiefs, this team will continue to be stale, out of date and never a serious contender in today's NFL.
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Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	i think it has more to do with the way the pats attack their opponents weaknesses. the way herm wants to play is obsolete in that establishing an prehistoric identity such as "run first" teams know what to plan for in order to shut you down. the pats just simply study their opponent, and attack their opponents weaknesses. they dont run run run because they want an identity....they dont believe in having a true identity..and it seems to be working... meanwhile. we're stuck with herm.
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