Manny Lawson, another Ryan Sims??

chubychecker · 04-28-2006, 07:31 PM

Sims was a monster in college. He was able to stop the run and get pressure on the qb, a combination not seen often by a DT. There is no question that he benefited from playing alongside Julius Peppers. The player in this years draft most often compared to peppers is Williams, who plays the opposite side from Lawson. Lawson undoubtedly benefited some by playing opposite of Williams. Would we be making the same mistake twice by drafting Lawson?

Herzig · 04-28-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chubychecker

Sims was a monster in college. He was able to stop the run and get pressure on the qb, a combination not seen often by a DT. There is no question that he benefited from playing alongside Julius Peppers. The player in this years draft most often compared to peppers is Williams, who plays the opposite side from Lawson. Lawson undoubtedly benefited some by playing opposite of Williams. Would we be making the same mistake twice by drafting Lawson?

I don't think so. Sims is a fat, lazy, piece of shit. Manny isn't.

JBucc · 04-28-2006, 07:36 PM

Ends don't benefit from other Ends as much as a tackle and End benfit from each other. End.

eazyb81 · 04-28-2006, 07:42 PM

Agree, it would be so stupid to take Lawson. It would be about as stupid as taking a Penn State running back, we all know how bad they suck in the pros.

**Dunit35** · 04-28-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

Ends don't benefit from other Ends as much as a tackle and End benfit from each other. End.

Right on brother. Sims played right next to Peppers. Lawson plays on the other side of the field as Williams. It's not the same.

chubychecker · 04-28-2006, 07:53 PM

I never said it would be stupid to take Lawson, in fact, I think it is no-brain pick for us if he is there at 20 (not sure he will be though). I am just asking the question to spark a little football debate (little else chiefs related to talk about). That said, I do believe a defensive end's numbers can be drastically different depending upon whether you are the primary concern of the offense.

Crush · 04-28-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Herzig

I don't think so. Sims is a fat, lazy, piece of shit. Manny isn't.

End of discussion, that's rep.

el borracho · 04-28-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Herzig

I don't think so. Sims is a fat, lazy, piece of shit. Manny isn't.

Sims has had three injuries which have killed his playing time and wrecked his conditioning. First the arm- a freak accident on the field; then the hamstring- hurt lunging in an attempt to intercept the football on the field; then the foot thing- when he was finally tearing it up on the field. No one can say that Sims has produced like we hoped when he was drafted but I don't see where he is a fat, lazy, piece of shit.

**Dave Lane** · 04-28-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chubychecker

Sims was a monster in college. He was able to stop the run and get pressure on the qb, a combination not seen often by a DT. There is no question that he benefited from playing alongside Julius Peppers. The player in this years draft most often compared to peppers is Williams, who plays the opposite side from Lawson. Lawson undoubtedly benefited some by playing opposite of Williams. Would we be making the same mistake twice by drafting Lawson?

Yes.

Dave

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-28-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Yes.

Dave

No, Manny infact played on the strongside on the D-line, and recieved the same attention from the opposition that Williams did.

milkman · 04-28-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Sims has had three injuries which have killed his playing time and wrecked his conditioning. First the arm- a freak accident on the field; then the hamstring- hurt lunging in an attempt to intercept the football on the field; then the foot thing- when he was finally tearing it up on the field. No one can say that Sims has produced like we hoped when he was drafted but I don't see where he is a fat, lazy, piece of shit.

Most intelligent post in this rediculous thread.

before you ask, yes, I know the e is supposed to be an i

Herzig · 04-28-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Most intelligent post in this rediculous thread.

before you ask, yes, I know the e is supposed to be an i

Hey...at least I know how to spell ridiculous...

TEX · 04-28-2006, 10:37 PM

Who the hell is Ryan Sims?

58-4ever · 04-28-2006, 10:40 PM

I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but, I think Sims is going to step up his game this year. With the addition of Lawson or Hall and maybe Pat Watkins, we just might field a defense this year.

chubychecker · 04-28-2006, 10:42 PM

I do agree. Simms seemed to be improved last year before his injury. If he can take one more step forward, he may be that force we have been missing up the middle.

04-28-2006, 07:31 PM
chubychecker Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: kansas, hiawatha Casino cash: $10004900	Manny Lawson, another Ryan Sims?? Sims was a monster in college. He was able to stop the run and get pressure on the qb, a combination not seen often by a DT. There is no question that he benefited from playing alongside Julius Peppers. The player in this years draft most often compared to peppers is Williams, who plays the opposite side from Lawson. Lawson undoubtedly benefited some by playing opposite of Williams. Would we be making the same mistake twice by drafting Lawson?
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	Agree, it would be so stupid to take Lawson. It would be about as stupid as taking a Penn State running back, we all know how bad they suck in the pros.
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chubychecker Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: kansas, hiawatha Casino cash: $10004900	I never said it would be stupid to take Lawson, in fact, I think it is no-brain pick for us if he is there at 20 (not sure he will be though). I am just asking the question to spark a little football debate (little else chiefs related to talk about). That said, I do believe a defensive end's numbers can be drastically different depending upon whether you are the primary concern of the offense.
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58-4ever The Collective Unconscious Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The OP Casino cash: $9450422	I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but, I think Sims is going to step up his game this year. With the addition of Lawson or Hall and maybe Pat Watkins, we just might field a defense this year.
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04-28-2006, 10:42 PM	#15
chubychecker Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: kansas, hiawatha Casino cash: $10004900	I do agree. Simms seemed to be improved last year before his injury. If he can take one more step forward, he may be that force we have been missing up the middle.
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