Shedeur Sanders

[TLO]

Anyone have him falling out of the first round completely?
Shocking.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Saw people on Twitter calling for charges to be pressed

Good grief.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Saw people on Twitter calling for charges to be pressed

Cooper DeJean was prank called last year and nobody gave a single ****

Also Tyler Warren and Kyle McCord were similarly prank called.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Of course… the league is historically not great at evaluating QB talent.

But to suggest… as many are doing… that NFL teams bypassed drafting him earlier in the draft as a collusion conspiracy… is ridiculous.

Oh, I don't give a crap about that collusion stuff. I figure his dad's presence or whatever had a lot to do with why he dropped, but also, and maybe more importantly, he apparently had a lot of bad interviews. As a former marketing guy, I can say with 100% certainty that first impressions are extremely important, and Shadeur didn't give any good ones it seems.

But as for talent, he showed enough talent on the field, imo. And his stats are good enough as well.

Now, none of that means that he'll end up being a great player in the NFL. he has to put in the work, period. If he doesn't treat it like the privilege and honor that it is to play in the NFL, he'll probably amount to nothing.

but there's enough ability in him to make a good career for himself. His issues are mental, or inside his heart.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Also Tyler Warren and Kyle McCord were similarly prank called.

"But but but this was a coach's son!" they say.

As if that changed the result of a kid thinking he's getting drafted when he's not. They don't care about the kids getting hurt, they care about Shedeur and the racial component.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

You think that a team desperate for a QB would pass up an opportunity to draft him earlier if that’s how they scouted his talent… simply because of the “extra fanfare”?

Teams will do anything to get who they think is a franchise QB.

Clearly every team that needed a QB didn’t see that with Fraudeur.

Who said they saw him as a clear franchise QB? You’re shifting the goalposts. Clear franchise QBs go in the first half of the first round. Bar ****ing none.

There’s a wide gulf between that and day 3 QBs which is what you labeled him as.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

Congratulations on finding exceptions.

Most modern QBs who are successful were drafted in the first round.

Oh, there's plenty more of those, I just was too lazy to type out the other 20-odd names, lol.


And, just fyi, 2/3 of QBs drafted in the first rd aren't given extensions by the team that drafted them, since 2000.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Oh, there's plenty more of those, I just was too lazy to type out the other 20-odd names, lol.


And, just fyi, 2/3 of QBs drafted in the first rd aren't given extensions by the team that drafted them, since 2000.

11 or 12 of the 14 playoff teams last year were helmed by a first round QB.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

But as for talent, he showed enough talent on the field, imo. And his stats are good enough as well.

There are plenty of examples of QB’s who put up far better #’s than Fraudeur did in college who were similarly drafted low… if not lower or not at all.

Tommy Chang, Case Keenum, Jason White… just to name a few.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Who said they saw him as a clear franchise QB? You’re shifting the goalposts. Clear franchise QBs go in the first half of the first round. Bar ****ing none.

There’s a wide gulf between that and day 3 QBs which is what you labeled him as.

Fair enough… would you agree that QB’s drafted on Day 1 and Day 2 are reasonably expected to be starting-caliber QB’s?

Every team that needs a starting QB passed on him.

[KCUnited]

Coaches kid apologized, Shedeur went to the Browns after getting pants’d by life in front of the world

Sometimes the universe delivers exactly the way things should be

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

11 or 12 of the 14 playoff teams last year were helmed by a first round QB.

didn't know that. Don't keep track of such things though. Is that consistent at all? I mean, is it pretty much every year all the playoff teams are led by 1st rd QBs? I would tend to doubt it, but if you happen to know, great.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

There are plenty of examples of QB’s who put up far better #’s than Fraudeur did in college who were similarly drafted low… if not lower or not at all.

Tommy Chang, Case Keenum, Jason White… just to name a few.

Yep. I never said Shadeur was a great talent, just that he showed enough talent in college to play in the NFL. I also never said he should've been a 1st rd pick. I wouldn't know that, being as I'm not a pro NFL scout. But some of the guys I tend to trust, like Louis Riddick, said Shadeur was a solid QB prospect. Given that, I'll reserve my judgement on the kid until I see him play a season or so.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Fair enough… would you agree that QB’s drafted on Day 1 and Day 2 are reasonably expected to be starting-caliber QB’s?

Every team that needs a starting QB passed on him.

I somewhat agree with that. First round, 100%. Second round, not remotely so clear.

He was never a first round talent. The guy was probably supposed to be drafted at some point in the second or maybe third. But then it became a self-fulfilling slippery slope and he dropped to the fifth.

If the Chiefs had been a team in need of a QB and we passed on him in the third or fourth, I would’ve felt that was ****ing cowardly. But I also think it matters what environment you’re throwing him into.

In the 2017 draft, if we were looking to replace Smith, I would’ve loved to have considered this kid with Reid as coach over some of the others like Tyler ****ing Bray. At the very least Shedeur operated with a terrible OL and had to overcome that. His ego is a clear negative but at least he’s faced some adversity.

[DCTwister]

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

Dude bent the knee.

What those dumbasses should be apologizing for is video recording themselves doing the prank and getting caught. Especially given who his father is. Amateurs.

[Rainbarrel]

He's been in locker rooms for 10 years. This is equivalent to a whoopee cushion in Church