*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I just literally described it in the post above. This isn't ignorance - it's malice. I just stated to trade whatever it takes to move up and get one.

You do that by moving up and getting one.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH IT COSTS - YOU SEND 4 DRAFT PICKS IF THAT IS THE COST OR YOU SEND 20.

That is how you get a franchise LT OR QB - You either suck balls and get pick 8 or you move up and pay the cost to move up and pick at 8.

Quit being ****ing cheap, pay what it costs to get the best LT option out there, and make it happen. Don't play dice, don't buy 3 lottery tickets, don't take 4 fliers with a 7th round pick.

TRADE UP AND GET THE BEST OPTION. If that costs 3 first round picks to protect Mahomes you do it.

If you do that, you better make sure you are drafting an All Pro calibre tackle or else you end up with another Evan Neal situation.

But even then, there are no guarantees teams are willing to trade back with the Chiefs. Veach spoke of this last season in how hard it was to find a trade partner. Maybe teams are not willing to do what you are suggesting. Hoard bottom round picks while giving Chiefs an elite LT.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I just literally described it in the post above. This isn't ignorance - it's malice. I just stated to trade whatever it takes to move up and get one.

You do that by moving up and getting one.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH IT COSTS - YOU SEND 4 DRAFT PICKS IF THAT IS THE COST OR YOU SEND 20.

That is how you get a franchise LT OR QB - You either suck balls and get pick 8 or you move up and pay the cost to move up and pick at 8.

Quit being ****ing cheap, pay what it costs to get the best LT option out there, and make it happen. Don't play dice, don't buy 3 lottery tickets, don't take 4 fliers with a 7th round pick.

TRADE UP AND GET THE BEST OPTION. If that costs 3 first round picks to protect Mahomes you do it.

good way to gut your team.

This is silly and unrealistic.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Everyone knows our medical staff evaluated the guy. No one is arguing they didn't.

Why is it that every other medical staff seems to have passed but us? Why is it that all other teams needing a LT passed but us?

What science and earth shattering medical instrumentation do you believe this team has access to that no other team has access to?

Even with a good medical check off, it's still a major gamble. Not many teams can afford to roll the dice like that.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Everyone knows our medical staff evaluated the guy. No one is arguing they didn't.

Why is it that every other medical staff seems to have passed but us? Why is it that all other teams needing a LT passed but us?

What science and earth shattering medical instrumentation do you believe this team has access to that no other team has access to?

Well, the other teams that needed a tackle had multiple options without any sort of red flags in an extremely deep class. That could be a big part of the reason. Not all 31 other teams were looking for a LT. Add in the reported character concerns, and it’s easy to see why he fell.

Had this been a weak class, I bet he goes a lot higher.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, it's not. If you're going to take a huge risk have a safety net. An unproven player is not a safety net. We signed him to an easy to end two year deal that's really a one year deal.

Just in case he doesn't work out - which is a legitimate risk. So we now have two risks as our plan. That's the truth.

Welcome to the NFL.

If you think there's ANY move you can make that doesn't carry risk, you are sadly mistaken.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Yeah, I think for me the pick makes a lot of sense where we got him.

If we had the 15th pick in the draft and got a potential top-5 guy like him ex-medicals, I'd feel a little bit more leery. But we got a pretty reasonable discount in getting him at 32 (or 31 + a 5th).

As I said before, there are a lot of people who have pounded the table on trading up to get a top-10 tackle who is a "sure thing." I'd personally rather take a chance on the medicals at the end of the first round than make some splash draft trade that could also potentially have knock-on implications given reduced draft capital in future years.

And I'm willing to give Andy Reid the benefit of the doubt on this one that this isn't some panic pick or one done out of hubris. And the fact that they had so much interaction with Simmons throughout the process tells you that they really liked the person himself too.

It may or may not work out. Time will tell. But the process behind it is totally reasonable and justifiable. And I like how it pairs with the signing of Moore and the Taylor contract as well. You can see the vision for how the next couple years play out if this works or if this doesn't, and that's how good teams operate.

This!! Let’s just for sake of the argument say Simmons never plays a snap as for us. But we hit on a 3rd round pick. It evens itself out, and that’s the best you should hope for in a draft where nothing is guaranteed.

[GordonGekko]

Jason Dunn on his podcast said that he saw a few guys come back from the patellar injury, one was Rodney Peete who he said came back the next year and was able to move around no problem, and that was with surgery techniques from 30 years ago

[Kiimo]

Tons of people wanted Conerly (not me) and the fact that Washington took him and said he's gonna be a guard should tell you all you need to know. I would hate that pick more than Simmons for sure.

[Hammock Parties]

Same group of cowards who were bitching all year long while we went 17-3

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Kiimo

Tons of people wanted Conerly (not me) and the fact that Washington took him and said he's gonna be a guard should tell you all you need to know. I would hate that pick more than Simmons for sure.

Link?

Edit:

It appears this is false:

Peters said that Conerly can play either guard or tackle

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Welcome to the NFL.

If you think there's ANY move you can make that doesn't carry risk, you are sadly mistaken.

And adding the additional risk that the player may never play or have a 2 year career on top of it is an idiot risk.

If you ask why I think it's risky I can give you the names of 10 players who's careers were ended by this injury. You can not give me a name of anyone who played longer than 7 years after it. It's THAT big of a risk.

KC is not saying it's not a risk - they know it and picked him anyway due to his upside if he somehow beats the odds. Saying "he's fine right now and looks ready" is avoiding the obvious - this injury leads to constant lifelong flare ups.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

This!! Let’s just for sake of the argument say Simmons never plays a snap as for us. But we hit on a 3rd round pick. It evens itself out, and that’s the best you should hope for in a draft where nothing is guaranteed.

Odd way to view opportunity cost...

What if Donovan Ezeiruaku provides a perfect complementary pass rusher for Karlaftis for the next half decade after Simmons never plays for us?

What if Burden becomes a 1,200 yard receiver?

What if Revel becomes a shut down corner or Amos a turnkey replacement for Watson so we don't have to go into FA next season to replace him?

What if those things happen AND we hit on that 3rd round pick you mentioned?

Like...are you really just blowing past the opportunity lost if "Simmons never plays a down for us..."?

And I'm supposed to look at that and be at ease?

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So should we just not say ANYTHING prior to the draft?

Because that's the thing -- the folks that said this pick is a waste and this was a dumb decision said it BEFORE the draft.

Nobody was sitting on their hands here and then flying off the top rope when the pick was made. We said it before and then it happened. Are people surprised that we say it now?

In some way chagrined that we're wasting Austin's bandwidth? CD Fixed his Shit. We can post without fear now.

It's always strange to me when folks get riled about about someone who didn't like the prospect of a specific pick being made not liking said pick AFTER it was made.

All that happened is that we removed the 'if'.

I don't really care how you behave. Just odd to me we have folks declaring this as a complete waste and Veach as a reerun before he even has a chance to suit up and try to play.

Not liking the pick is one thing. I don't, at all. Would've rather made the jump into the late 20s once Conerly slid that far if they'd decided on LT or bust.

But man, it sure seems like some of you have already decided his career is ****ed and aren't even willing to consider the alternative.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I don't really care how you behave. Just odd to me we have folks declaring this as a complete waste and Veach as a reerun before he even has a chance to suit up and try to play.

The odds of it being a complete waste are higher than the odds of it working. That's the problem.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Kiimo

Tons of people wanted Conerly (not me) and the fact that Washington took him and said he's gonna be a guard should tell you all you need to know. I would hate that pick more than Simmons for sure.

I mean he'd be competing with Tunsil at LT who they traded for and are paying so I'd question if Guard is his permanent spot. So probably more likely pushing Wylie