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Old 04-25-2025, 11:41 AM   #706
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I can't believe after that disastrous super bowl that people are banking on Jaylon Moore to protect Mahomes...
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Old 04-25-2025, 11:42 AM   #707
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Most teams can’t find two quality tackles at once as we know, but really, there’s no position it’s more important to have a quality depth guy at than OT.

We were truly one unlucky break away from being right back where we were last year. A Jaylon Moore injury, no matter how good he becomes, ends your season if Wanya is the next man up.
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How many of offensive linemen were part of this study? Also, we're not asking Simmons to run - just block. His knee may be stable enough to run and pass block, which is all we need.



We don't need Simmons to return with NBA athleticism.


He already is an incredible technical player, just knows how to play tackle. He just needs to come back decently enough and he's a star.
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How many of offensive linemen were part of this study? Also, we're not asking Simmons to run - just block. His knee may be stable enough to run and pass block, which is all we need.
Knee and back injuries to big guys are worse. Much worse. They carry more weight and absorb more punishment.
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I didn't know that. So you know pretty early if knee surgeries are a success or not? That is good news.

I know my buddy had an acl and mcl (I think) one after the other and said both were painful as hell and a bitch to rehab. You have to deal with the pain or it won't heal right. Do all the rehab or it won't heal right. Do all the stretching or it won't heal right.

Then you have an elevated risk of a different injury due to the tendency to over compensate and use other joints and limbs too much.

Right or wrong we basically agreed to all this risk to save 20 draft slots. That's what it comes down to. We didn't want to pay the price to move up into the top 15 to get a top 15 talent.
'Success' in surgery for professional athlete terms means "didn't fail"

You know if the graft didn't take. Or if it yielded a bunch of scar tissue that obviously compromised the joint.

But every pitcher that ever returned to a mound had a 'successful' surgery first, even if they're throwing 10 mph less than they used to.

A successful surgery is the first, easiest hurdle to clear.
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Might just have to settle for multi-year All-Pro.
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He should be. But it’s far from a lock.

I was a fan of the Moore signing but never did I believe it should preclude them from going after an upgrade long term. At a minimum, you need depth and you need an answer to replace Taylor.
So depth needed to be a first rounder? That;s what we're going with?
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The baseball analogy doesn't fit.

If you want a long-term answer at this spot, you either mortgage an entire draft more or less, or you roll the dice that Simmons returns to form.

It's not as big a risk as multiple high picks. It's a big risk, but it's not a crippling blow if it tanks.
Or you pay Trent Williams a record-setting deal when he’s in his 30s…. Oh wait they tried that and got denied.

Shit isn’t easy.
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He already is an incredible technical player, just knows how to play tackle. He just needs to come back decently enough and he's a star.
That's not entirely accurate. As I understood it he plays in an odd blocking scheme that doesn't directly translate to many NFL teams and he's going to need polish and technique.

The fact that he is a freak athlete and good mover is why he shouldn't have a steep learning curve.
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Or you pay Trent Williams a record-setting deal when he’s in his 30s…. Oh wait they tried that and got denied.

Shit isn’t easy.
Tunsil for a 3rd.

Had we done that this risky pick wouldn't even bother me as much - we'd have a solid answer if it does take time to heal.
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So depth needed to be a first rounder? That;s what we're going with?
Because those second and third round OTs have given us so much to be excited and optimistic about the past few years.

How is this board seemingly so unaware of how hard it is to find long term solutions at this position?
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I can't believe after that disastrous super bowl that people are banking on Jaylon Moore to protect Mahomes...
Not even just that, but the complete and total lack of depth. You're one snap away from Morris being in again, which simply cannot happen. He's a backup RT at best, he can never see the left side again.

Now, you have true competition for Taylor when he knows his ass is going to be cut next year. He needs to put some better tape out there if he wants to land another deal. So, he either steps up or Moore takes his job. Either way, you now have three starting caliber tackles when you ended last season with barely even one in Taylor.

The more time that passes, it's obvious this was the one and only choice, and I bet the Chiefs are freaking thrilled. There will be plenty of RBs, DL and WRs who can contribute day one in rounds 2-3, the same cannot be said for OTs.

It wasn't just the right pick, it was the only pick.
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The baseball analogy doesn't fit.

If you want a long-term answer at this spot, you either mortgage an entire draft more or less, or you roll the dice that Simmons returns to form.

It's not as big a risk as multiple high picks. It's a big risk, but it's not a crippling blow if it tanks.
How do you figure?

If Jaylon Moore is an average LT, he has probably 6 years or so at that level. That's the bulk of PMs remaining career. That's as 'long-term' as it gets.

We may already have one. And like I said, presuming coin-flip odds for both guys, all you've really done is improve your odds by about 25% by taking Simmons anyway.

That's a whole lot of risk you're taking for a marginal return.
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