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Old 04-24-2025, 09:40 PM  
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Old 04-25-2025, 10:26 AM   #616
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The sample size of players who have torn this tendon is not large enough to do a lot of comparisons by age, but this has been a devastating injury for players - whether they’re on their first deal, or second deal, or into their 30s.

Jack Conklin tore his patellar tendon in 2021, at the beginning of his 2nd contract. He came back the next year, played below his standards, and then blew out every ligament in his OTHER knee. That’s the most recent OL we have enough space for him to rehab from, that I can find (two more tore it last year, so we’ll see).

LeCharles Bentley, who was an all pro interior OL for the Saints, tore it and never made it back on the field. He was in year 2 or 3 of his rookie deal.

Ryan Williams of the Cardinals and Cadillac Williams of the Dolphins both tore it early in their careers and never were the same. Cadillac came back and was bad. Ryan never played again.

Greg Childs blew both patellar tendons in training camp before his rookie season and literally never got started.

Age really isn’t a differentiator on this one.
Conklin had his second and third highest pass pro grades of his career after he tore his patella.

Lecharles Bentley got a staph infection and almost died. The patella rupture happened during TC of his 5th season. The first under his second contract.

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“ "The initial injury was just a basic patellar tendon rupture," recalled Bentley. "Routine. And as a football player, that's what you sign up for. You sign up to be hurt. That's the nature of the game."
Bentley figured he'd undergo surgery and be back on the field the next season. After all, he was just 26. His last game had been the Pro Bowl. His best years clearly lay ahead.
"Young, healthy, felt good about myself," Bentley said. "You move on. But it was the subsequent staph infection that was the true culprit, and why I wasn't able to continue."

Buckhalter had 3 career best years after the patella surgery and rehab in 2004 under Rick Burkholter.
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Old 04-25-2025, 10:27 AM   #617
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It’s his decision based on the medical guidance from Burkholder that Simmons will be able to make a full recovery from his injury.
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Old 04-25-2025, 10:27 AM   #618
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We really kneed a Left Tackle, guys.

I hope he works out. Elite positional talent at the end of the 1st round + a 5th rounder. Not bad.
That's what I keep telling myself also.
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Old 04-25-2025, 10:28 AM   #619
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I put it in different thread, but Josh Simmons is first OT drafted by the Chiefs in the first round since drafting Eric Fisher first overall back in 2013. Crazy stat.
I read an article where Fisher was rated the 6th worst 1st pick the last 20 years.

If I could wipe my ass with the digital copy of that article I would. Fisher was a good player.
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We really kneed a Left Tackle, guys.

I hope he works out. Elite positional talent at the end of the 1st round + a 5th rounder. Not bad.
It’s a risk worth taking, especially when we have Moore.
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Which of those players is solving the protection issues on the offensive line that the Chiefs have faced for years now and that cost them a SB last season?
I think plenty would argue that outside of the top 12 there were no solutions to that problem in round 1. It wasn't coming in this draft. Just like the QB options this year sucked.

We were going to have to trade or sign our solution, whatever that was going to be.
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About the data on this injury... how far back does it go? I know it mentions pff grades so it must not go back too far. I ask because we know medical procedures are always improving. I'd also like to know the ages of these athletes when injured. Any of them just retire after cause they were late 30s? Numbers can be spun to say anything. More data needed. I don't have an opinion either way yet.
Fellas -- if y'all are gonna keep poking at these studies, could you...maybe...read 'em?

2009-2023. Crow's provided the whole thing for ya several times over.

It's not 'spun' -- it's the entire data set over the period of time in which the data was actually available.
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I read an article where Fisher was rated the 6th worst 1st pick the last 20 years.

If I could wipe my ass with the digital copy of that article I would. Fisher was a good player.
It may be true. It's also true that in that specific draft he was the 2nd or 3rd best pick in that 1st round. That year that we had the no 1 pick it was just a garbage draft. Unbelievable bust rate for 1st round players that year.
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About the data on this injury... how far back does it go? I know it mentions pff grades so it must not go back too far. I ask because we know medical procedures are always improving. I'd also like to know the ages of these athletes when injured. Any of them just retire after cause they were late 30s? Numbers can be spun to say anything. More data needed. I don't have an opinion either way yet.
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It may be true. It's also true that in that specific draft he was the 2nd or 3rd best pick in that 1st round. That year that we had the no 1 pick it was just a garbage draft. Unbelievable bust rate for 1st round players that year.
We managed to find the nearly expired can of beans in the dumpster. It was an epically bad draft, and we just happened to be the 1 pick that year.

It all worked out.
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Saban said he was lazy, unfocused, etc. so I’m guessing that sort of issue as opposed to off-the-field nightmare?
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I read an article where Fisher was rated the 6th worst 1st pick the last 20 years.

If I could wipe my ass with the digital copy of that article I would. Fisher was a good player.
Here's the top half of the first round in 2013. Fisher was a brilliant pick. Lane Johnson is the only guy you'd probably pick above him, and Johnson is a RT who played 16 games only three times in his career, which is less than Fisher even though Fisher retired three years ago.

Eric Fisher
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Dion Jordan
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