*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

If he displays "character" issues, we can bring Carl Peterson in to scream at Simmons and his agent.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

We’re all happy Trey Smith worked out, but it’s not like the Chiefs just knew better than everyone else. They passed on him several times before pulling the trigger really late.

If the Chiefs knew Trey would work out, then it was very risky to pass on him so many times.

I think that pick sounded like the risk was minimal enough that late to take a chance.

This is a first round pick. The Chiefs absolutely have to be right on this.

An OT of Simmons potential talent/upside wouldn’t last much longer. The Chiefs we’re right to take him at 32.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The KC media needs to ask Veach and Reid why they think Simmons will be different than all the studies on this. It definitely is concerning when you look at those and see the history of NFL players that are never the same.

Ronaldo came back from a patellar tendon tear to lead the word cup in scoring , R9 not CR7 had 5-6 good seasons after that , maybe he does better or plays longer without it but he had other injury issues I think

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The "does he love football" stuff surfaced about a month ago.

A few folks mentioned it in the draft forum. I just threw it on top of the pile...

Every player loves football when things are going good.

With his road to recovery, possible setbacks, getting back in shape, etc, we’ll find out how much he loves it.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why the "Trust in Veach" stuff rings particularly hollow.

This is not about “Trust in Veach”… it’s about trusting the informed medical opinion of Burkholder.

Because if you take away the medical concerns, Simmons has the talent to be a top 10-15 pick… are you disagreeing with that?

So it’s not a talent evaluation debate with Simmons… it’s strictly about assessing his injury status/recovery.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The "does he love football" stuff surfaced about a month ago.

A few folks mentioned it in the draft forum. I just threw it on top of the pile...

Seems to like football just fine

A message from the man himself 🗣️ pic.twitter.com/MzVeBlApEk

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 25, 2025

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A couple of years ago, I said I was leaving for good. I'm not saying I'm leaving here now.

What's frustrating is that if you put in the time to find and share information and content here anymore, nobody really looks at it. If you formulate an opinion based on that information, you'll only be ridiculed, chastised, and rejected if it goes against what the Chiefs do.

It's kind of sad that the fanbase has become a "succumb to what Veach does" group that never questions anything for any reason. It wasn't that way when Carl was around. Hell, it wasn't that way when Dorsey was here, and he's the one who built the true core of this team. Hey, I love Veach. I hope he continuously rebuilds the core of this team that John Dorsey handed to him and keeps it this competitive for a long, long time. But does that mean I'm required to like all of his decisions, despite proof that some of those have been downright awful? One can't be vocal against Veach and get along here, so it really becomes a choice against wanting to put in any effort related to having an opposing opinion.

As for the content, it really does take a significant amount of time to put out a lot of content, even if it's not great content. And, I'm not even doing anything special. There are plenty of resources out there to gain information from that are as good or better than anything I have time to put out. It just might not be so easily accessible. I'm not accomplished enough nor do I have the substantial time to put shit up behind a paywall, like some have suggested, and have a following. I'm not about to do a podcast. I have 6 kids in my house, how good would that work out? Those guys that do them have far less credibility than the best posters here, and yet they get respected and their opinions are admired even when they cut against the grain. Why put in that time for no gain only to have it shit on routinely? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

If Matt from KCSN said it or whoever on Twitter said it or dickwad on his podcast said it, it'd be gold. If DJ, duncan, or Crow say it, they don't know shit, can't read studies, etc. ****, I have an undergrad dual major in Mathematics and Physical Education (which is about 60% PT coursework BTW) and I don't know statistics or how to read a study or anything about the human body. It's like **** right off.

Who knows, it might be best to just start spending a little more time with my kids and my fiancé in the winter and spring instead of drafturbating and reading medical studies on sports injuries and the like.

I can still pop on and spew bullshit about my next meal at Taco Bell or something, bitch about what happened in the Week 9 loss, or whatever. I just don't think I really want to put in the effort, and that might be a good thing.

I really do hope the pick works out. It would be quite the coup.

It isn't who knows, you should spend more time... Kids grow up really fast and you can't reverse the clock. I appreciate your contributions, but man, if your thinking that, your balance is off. The Chiefs being good makes it really hard for us fans as it takes time away from other things. First world problems, but yea, spend some more time with the Fiance and kids.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

An OT of Simmons potential talent/upside wouldn’t last much longer. The Chiefs we’re right to take him at 32.

I hope the Chiefs are right.

I’m just saying the Trey Smith comparison isn’t really all that valid.

You just can’t compare throwing a late round pick at someone to taking someone in the first round.

Did the Patriots just know Tom Brady would be good? If so, wasn’t that kinda dumb to risk passing on him so many times?

Or did they just take a chance on a guy with minimal investment and it worked out?

I give the Chiefs a lot more credit for their evaluation and move up for Mahomes. That was a high risk move where they absolutely got it right.

I don’t call it lucky. It’s just that the risk isn’t nearly comparable.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

This is not about “Trust in Veach”… it’s about trusting the informed medical opinion of Burkholder.

Because if you take away the medical concerns, Simmons has the talent to be a top 10-15 pick… are you disagreeing with that?

So it’s not a talent evaluation debate with Simmons… it’s strictly about assessing his injury status/recovery.

It is absolutely about trusting in Veach. It's his show, his decision. He'll get the credit if it works out. In fact if this works it will probably be his signature move as GM of the Chiefs. If it works it could launch us into Phase 2 of this dynasty. Going to try to focus on that potential outcome because the alternative is brutal.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

If Trey Smith didn’t work out, there wouldn’t be much of an issue. Any 6th round pick is a gamble.

This is a first round pick. Veach has to be right about this.

He didn’t have to be right about CEH, he didn’t have to be right about FAU. If he hits on a couple later picks, then it negates missing on a first rounder.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Seems to like football just fine

A message from the man himself 🗣️ pic.twitter.com/MzVeBlApEk

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 25, 2025

Very sweet smile imho

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I give the Chiefs a lot more credit for their evaluation and move up for Mahomes. That was a high risk move where they absolutely got it right.

I don’t call it lucky. It’s just that the risk isn’t nearly comparable.

Is the risk/reward calculus for selecting a player different when picking at 32 than it is earlier in the first round?

Yes.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Do you think that Burkholder is unaware of that historical data?

I think they are more than aware and still took the risk anyway because they are that desperate. It’s also the 32nd pick and they didn’t trade up.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think they are more than aware and still took the risk anyway because they are that desperate. It’s also the 32nd pick and they didn’t trade up.

That's where I keep ending up, especially with Reid's statement that they wanted to take an OT in the first round.

They know the risks and chose to focus on need instead.

I think that's a mistake. And I think it's ultimately Veach that makes that particular determination.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think they are more than aware and still took the risk anyway because they are that desperate. It’s also the 32nd pick and they didn’t trade up.

I just have a really hard time buying that the same team that waited until the 5th round to pull the trigger on Trey Smith despite him being totally fine is all of a sudden taking huge risks purely out of desperation.

If they didn't feel good about the injury, they don't take him.