*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

The problem is that we can’t absorb ceh , fau, skyy etc . Picks like these are why the eagles total roster is so much better than ours . In two of the last three SBs we got our bent over by teams with better rosters . Having the best QB only does so much . Looms roster top to bottom also better than ours if 3/4 of their D isn’t on the IL .

KC has won 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls so I don't see how they got bent over by teams with better rosters in 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls.

Everyone writing of FAU as a bust of a first round pick is jumping the gun a little bit. CEH is the only true black eye on Veach's record when it comes to 1st round picks.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

So will it be Nagy next that will be the issue with Mahomes playing bad or?

At what point is the HOF offensive genius HC and his GM gonna be held accountable?

How many tackles have been duds now? 7 of these guys plus Jawaan?

Or electing to roll with Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney as WR1/WR2?

How about doing jack shit at RB all offseason except bringing in Alligator Boy and old slow Perinne after the Broncos cut him in August?

How about drafting an extremely raw LT and throwing him out there only to watch him get prison raped in his 2nd game and benched?

Blaming this on Mahomes is hilarious. This sabatoging of our generational QB is personnel and coaching malpractice.

I love those guys, but they need to take their medicine on this. They have made some catastrophic decisions the last 2 years and it’s affected everybody on offense.

[dirk digler]

Reid doesn't seem at all concerned. Guess we will have to trust them.

“We’ve got a pretty good idea of where he’s at,” Reid said. “Does he have to go out and do it? Yeah, he’s got to go out and do it.

“But it’s not one of those (injuries) where you’re looking at it going, ‘Oy, it’s a problem — either a bad surgery or he just hasn’t been working it.’ He’s been doing all of the above.”

Reid said Simmons’ specific injury usually required six months of recovery, and the tackle was right about at that time in his rehab.

“From where we’re sitting,” Reid said, “the experts would tell you that (the knee) looks good.”

Reid and Burkholder have a long history of treating players with patellar injuries. On Thursday, Reid referenced former Philadelphia Eagles running back Correll Buckhalter, who missed the 2004 and 2005 seasons after tearing the patellar tendon in his knee.

Buckhalter made a return after that, playing three more years with the Eagles and five more pro seasons overall.

“Rick’s got a pretty good feel on that. Our docs have a good feel on it,” Reid said. “And we thought (Josh’s), it looked like it was a good surgery.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Nice non-answer/deflect.

You are embarrassing yourself here by acting like you know more than Rick Burkholder.

It’s one thing to disagree with the talent evaluation of a player… but in this case you are arguing that the medical guidance/assessment of Burkholder… and his 30+ years of experience doing this… is incorrect.

Post your sports medicine credentials so we can compare them to Burkholder’s.

Well I've already spoken to this sweetheart. Multiple times. In multiple threads. Over multiple weeks.

So you're welcome to keep making the exact argument you've blasted people for making while simultaneously ignoring the fact that myself, and Crow, and Duncan, have already answered you.

Evidently your hypocrisy truly does know no bounds.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Nice non-answer/deflect.

You are embarrassing yourself here by acting like you know more than Rick Burkholder.

It’s one thing to disagree with the talent evaluation of a player… but in this case you are arguing that the medical guidance/assessment of Burkholder… and his 30+ years of experience doing this… is incorrect.

Post your sports medicine credentials so we can compare them to Burkholder’s.

Not trying to get this to DC, but man DJ has this guy by the balls with his Fauci reference. He’s lawyered him down and pinned him in a corner with no way out

Its incredible to watch this poster “trust the medical professionals with decades of experience to their name” in one part of the board and on have the complete opposite approach to distrust medical professionals with decades of experience on another side of CP

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

At what point is the HOF offensive genius HC and his GM gonna be held accountable?

How many tackles have been duds now? 7 of these guys plus Jawaan?

Or electing to roll with Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney as WR1/WR2?

How about doing jack shit at RB all offseason except bringing in Alligator Boy and old slow Perinne after the Broncos cut him in August?

How about drafting an extremely raw LT and throwing him out there only to watch him get prison raped in his 2nd game and benched?

Blaming this on Mahomes is hilarious. This sabatoging of our generational QB is personnel and coaching malpractice.

I love those guys, but they need to take their medicine on this. They have made some catastrophic decisions the last 2 years and it’s affected everybody on offense.

Well they rolled with, in your words "that fat piece of shit" OBJ and Wiley at T in 2022 and had an MVP QB and won a SB.

But he needs to have better tackle play....sure.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Reid doesn't seem at all concerned. Guess we will have to trust them.

And also trust the medical expertise of an athletic trainer with 30+ years experience.

But DJLN read about patellar tendon injuries on WebMD, so he’s supposedly more qualified to have an informed opinion on this than Burkholder.

[nicksdad]

Sorry . Correction . Bent over by eagles and bucs . You recall those right ?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

But the blown picks weren't actually the top choices by Veach. Mahomes was banging the table for CEH and it was at the time a "luxury" pick to many, so they did it. FAU was taken in the draft in KC and Lamar wanted a pick and nobody would trade down, so we took the local kid. This isn't the case with this, it's a calculated risk by Reid, Veach and the medical staff. A far cry from the other two.

I specifically noted that MEH wasn't an example.

FAU is mushy middle -- I'm not real sure who to believe there.

The two most direct analogues, though, were Speaks and Moore. In both cases we were looking to attack a specific position group in a specific range. We panicked and moved up when that position group dried up in that range so we took the last guy we had in Speaks.

And in Moore we saw a group of 3-4 guys we liked AT the position group and were willing to trade down to take whoever was left.

And that's not speculating, that's a matter of public record. Veach has said as such. Both directly and indirectly (with Moore he said it specifically and then re-stated it in a different way when discussing the Cook pick and how they didn't think they could get the WR where they took Cook so they took WR first even though they had Cook ranked higher).

They have absolutely demonstrated a willingness to do this in the first round or two and I just don't think it's worked out for them well at all when they have. McDuffie they traded up for because the TALENT and not the position. And Karlaftis was said to be a bit of a combination of both -- they badly wanted a DL there but saw enough of them on the board that they were reasonably confident one would fall.

I think there's a fair argument to make that you could fit Karlaftis into this 'approach' and call it a win. I don't think that's right, but it's makeable. That still puts them at least 2-1 down, though.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well I've already spoken to this sweetheart. Multiple times. In multiple threads. Over multiple weeks.

So you're welcome to keep making the exact argument you've blasted people for making while simultaneously ignoring the fact that myself, and Crow, and Duncan, have already answered you.

Evidently your hypocrisy truly does know no bounds.

Explain for everyone here why you think your medical opinion on Simmons’ injury is more informed than Rick Burkholder’s professional assessment.

You’ve thrown a temper tantrum for 12+ hours in this thread now… put your credentials out there so we can compare them to Rick Burkholder’s.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not trying to get this to DC, but man DJ has this guy by the balls with his Fauci reference. He’s lawyered him down and pinned him in a corner with no way out

Its incredible to watch this poster “trust the medical professionals with decades of experience to their name” in one part of the board and on have the complete opposite approach to distrust medical professionals with decades of experience on another side of CP

I promised I was done. So I shall be done.

But yeah - there's really no reason to engage that particular bit of nonsense any further.

And I didn't really do anything there - he just led with his chin.

[Shoes]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Nice non-answer/deflect.

You are embarrassing yourself here by acting like you know more than Rick Burkholder.

It’s one thing to disagree with the talent evaluation of a player… but in this case you are arguing that the medical guidance/assessment of Burkholder… and his 30+ years of experience doing this… is incorrect.

Post your sports medicine credentials so we can compare them to Burkholder’s.

I mean the counter argument to this is 31 other teams who have teams of medical professionals passed on Simmons when it was widely regarded that at Simmons peak in the 2024 season that he was the most talented LT in the draft. If his medical concern wasn't that big of an issue, he would have been taken much higher. Anyone trying to downplay the injury isn't being objective.

Fellas it is what it is- a high risk/high reward draft pick. Neither side is correct or wrong, only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

[nicksdad]

You know who has the med records and medical expertise and didn’t take Simmons . 31 other teams . But we know better . Ok . I stand corrected

[dirk digler]

The KC media needs to ask Veach and Reid why they think Simmons will be different than all the studies on this. It definitely is concerning when you look at those and see the history of NFL players that are never the same.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Shoes

Fellas it is what it is- a high risk/high reward draft pick. Neither side is correct or wrong, only time will tell if the gamble pays off.

Exactly this. And pick 32 is a perfect spot to do this.