*****The Josh Simmons Thread*****

[Dante84]

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— Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) April 25, 2025

Several teams agree: Josh Simmons had best tape of any OT last year. And they aren't very concerned with recovery on the torn patella tendon. More of the concern is maturity/character. But he's going to the ideal, veteran-laden place.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 25, 2025

the #chiefs get LT Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. If Simmons didn't suffer a torn patellar tendon he would have been the first tackle off the board. I had one team tell me he was the most athletic and talented tackle tape they watched. There are some maturity issues, but this…

— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs have selected #OSU OT Josh Simmons at No. 32, a player recovering nicely from a torn patellar tendon. They are comfortable with his rehab and did endless homework on it. https://t.co/awdb0JhPed

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 25, 2025

The #Chiefs are selecting Ohio State LT Josh Simmons at No. 32 to close out Round 1.

A key addition to bolster the offensive line in front of Patrick Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/oBx2CjzmCe

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 25, 2025

[FringeNC]

I'm fine with it. We will never have the ability to draft someone like him unless there are injury concerns. Additionally, I think many are denial about the extent of the collapse in the Chiefs offense over the last two year. From #1 in yards per play to bottom ten (worse than the Jets). If Mahomes doesn't trust his LT, it gets into his head. Chiefs made a big bet --- if they win, they will have elite LT play essentially the rest of Mahomes' career. Seems reasonable to me.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The fact that you had to go back like a decade to find something bad to say speaks volumes, dumbass.

Part of history makes what you are today Einstein.

[srvy]

This is rolling dice with snake eyes all sides. We are going to lose and the statistics with this injury smells like a waste pick.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Part of history makes what you are today Einstein.

You're right. If I got in an accident 10 years ago, clearly I'm a bad driver. Nevermind that I have a perfect driving record for the last 10 years.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

And that's the key everyone seems to be missing.

The repair itself seemed to pass with flying colors. Great.

They are still guessing as to if he'll regain 100% flexibility, strength, explosion, power and torque in that leg - and won't know until he's cleared, which sounds like Training Camp. So we wait, and cross our fingers.

Huge risk, which interestingly enough - the rest of the league wasn't concerned about his medical, yet 31 teams passed on a "Top 5 talent."

Hint: Teams know the stats/study kccrow posted and said, "nah we're good."

I remember some folks talking about Kelce micro fracture procedure in a similar context

[el borracho]

High ceiling, bottom-less floor. Veach is a much bigger gambler than I.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I remember some folks talking about Kelce micro fracture procedure in a similar context

Well, this is NOT that.

This is a very significant injury, and a very risky pick.

But it's a pick that-should it work out, could be a HUGE get. A top Left Tackle talent at #32?

But it's a roll of the dice, make no mistake.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, this is NOT that.

This is a very significant injury, and a very risky pick.

But it's a pick that-should it work out, could be a HUGE get. A top Left Tackle talent at #32?

But it's a roll of the dice, make no mistake.

But like I said before, it's not the same as him getting the injury yesterday. He's far enough in the recovery process to change the dynamic a little bit, hence why Burkholder told Veach his recovery is "best case scenario".

[nychief]

Look, all hostility aside, this is a gamble... but you have to roll the dice sometimes and we are in a position to do that, fortunately.

There is a risk with all these guys, be it future injury or character concerns. Green is facing two rape allegations, but is healthy... would we feel more comfortable having drafted him? Burden has turned some people off, why? I dunno.

Lets hope the Chiefs know what they are doing....they have earned that benefit.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by In58men

If somebody said Chiefs would draft Josh Simmons and he comes with an extra 5th rounder I think most of us would have done this.

I'm pretty sure Verch knew exactly what he was doing when he traded down a spot, so I feel like it was a fantastic move. I didn't want Simmons because he seems like such a risk, but it doesn't much matter now. He's ours and I trust Varch, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. Vench has a hell of a lot of leeway in my mind to take risks like this one.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But like I said before, it's not the same as him getting the injury yesterday. He's far enough in the recovery process to change the dynamic a little bit, hence why Burkholder told Veach his recovery is "best case scenario".

Sure. But the things we NEED to know we CAN'T know at this juncture. It's not about HEALING. It's about how will it function AFTER.

It's a big risk.

Now, I've come around to accepting the risk because it's the only way we were going to get a shot at a top ten LT prospect. So ok, I'm accepting, and I'm rooting for the kid. I get the calculus.

[Mr. Kotter]

I get the concern…sure it’s high risk/high reward; but so many of you seem to forget that the draft is a crapshoot always and forever. We won’t know for 2-3 years. What cracks me up most, is how so many seem to think they know more than the medical staff, Veatch, and Reid. Good God, get over yourselves.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The sample size of players who have torn this tendon is not large enough to do a lot of comparisons by age, but this has been a devastating injury for players - whether they’re on their first deal, or second deal, or into their 30s.


LeCharles Bentley, who was an all pro interior OL for the Saints, tore it and never made it back on the field. He was in year 2 or 3 of his rookie deal.

For fun, I decided to choose just one of your examples and look more deeply, and I settled on Bentley. First, he was on the Browns when he tore it - just after signing a large contract - and was in year 5 of his NFL career.

But much more interesting, the dude got a staph infection while rehabbing in the Browns' facility (and he sued them for it and settled), had multiple further surgeries, and.... wait for it....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ection-lawsuit

Bentley said his infection became so severe that doctors considered amputating his leg.

Do you feel like this guy is a good comp for the Simmons situation?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by JimNasium

Just a guess here, but I don’t think this analysis is statistically sound and I don’t think anything including PFF scores will make it through peer review.

The n is low enough in this instance that a good statistician would say you can’t operate with 100 percent confidence on the data.

I’ll recognize that.

But the data is SO damning. And all the PFF grades are used for in that study is to evaluate a return-to-performance level. You can cover that gap by digging into individual cases.

There are a few players who came back and were productive but still less explosive athletically (Buckhalter and Jimmy Graham are the best outcomes i can find of that category).

It’s an enormous risk. If it hits and he makes a full recovery, it’s an enormous advantage moving forward. I don’t view the odds of a hit as being high enough for the risk factor.

But that’s just me. A dude that likes number (and who worked in healthcare analytics for five years, with statisticians and research physicians, which gives me just enough knowledge to get to the point where I’m worried about this).

[Sassy Squatch]

God Damn. Can we table this discussion until, like, September? Then we'll actually have a real idea if Veach and Burkholder are ****ing reeruns or if this was much ado about nothing and we stole a potential top 10 talent at 32.