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Old 04-24-2025, 09:40 PM  
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Old 04-25-2025, 03:39 AM   #391
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Old 04-25-2025, 03:39 AM   #392
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Old 04-25-2025, 03:53 AM   #393
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Man, I feel so much better after sleeping on this and seeing even experts who hate us saying we got a steal. We now have 3 starting caliber OTs. Last year we made the Super Bowl with ONE. We get Rice back, Pacheco fully healthy, Brown and Juju back.

Damn, this could end up being the best looking team on paper that we’ve had in the whole run if Veach plays his cards right the next two days.
Unfortunately I am not as comfortable still after a night of sleeping on it. Yes he is a steal if he truly recovers from a pretty serious injury like he had.

But if he isn't as well recovered as they are saying then we have wasted another first round pick....and what concerns me is the possibility of the team wanting to see a long term replacement at LT that they may not have as discerning an eye.
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Old 04-25-2025, 04:03 AM   #394
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It's a high risk/high reward gamble. I'm good with it. Let's hope it works out. But that's a nasty injury he's coming back from. When I tore my ACL the ER doctor initially misdiagnosed it as a patellar tendon rupture, and an ACL tear is much better.
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Old 04-25-2025, 04:23 AM   #396
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Rainman, you've CLOSE to the real issue here, but you're only hitting the edges of the target.

Part of the problem is, most people don't know much about study design. I know you do marketing analysis, so you get MOST of it, but do you have much of a background in hard science?

The key problem is this is nothing more than what doctors call a pilot study. Meaning, a small sample of cases to see if further research is warranted.

Not only is the sample size way too small for percentages to mean much, MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY CHANGES RAPIDLY.

So, they had to go back to 2009 to get even a handful of cases, and surgical techniques could have vastly improved over 16 years. Thus, the prognosis for a patient in 2009 could be vastly different than in 2022 (at the end of sample).

For example, if you asked about the prognosis of a pitcher with a rotator cuff injury in 1974, well....a sample of orthopedic literature would have said, "give up, he's toast." As we all know, Tommy Jobn went on to win more game AFTER Dr. Jobe repaired his rotator cuff than he won before his shoulder surgery on his way to the HOF.

16 years later, it was a vastly different world.

Now, I don't know if that's the case for patellar knee injuries. But crow doesn't either. However, the Chiefs' team doctor presumably knows the state of the art and Veach has better sources of information than any of us.
Just an FYI, Tommy John tore his elbow ligament, not his rotator cuff. And he’s not in the HOF.
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Old 04-25-2025, 04:56 AM   #397
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They’re putting full trust into Rick Burkholder’s decision.

He ultimately gave them the nod to draft him.

I’m here for it, Rick is a very smart dude. They brought him so he can check him out, in the end Rick obviously said he’s good to go.

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I’d have more confidence in a medical evaluation here if they were able to test strength and explosion in the leg.

If him squatting 225 pounds is being touted by his PR team yesterday as positive sign of recovery, I have hard time believing they ran him through tests that would show if the tendon functions as well as it did before the injury. Im not a doctor or PT, but the PhD PT I know told me that’s the true test of the repair - not just is the tendon whole/did it work/is the joint clean, but can the tendon do as much as before - and that the answer has always been that it is less than it was.

I did knock out some 225-lb one-leg squats at the gym today, though, in Simmons honor.
And that's the key everyone seems to be missing.

The repair itself seemed to pass with flying colors. Great.

They are still guessing as to if he'll regain 100% flexibility, strength, explosion, power and torque in that leg - and won't know until he's cleared, which sounds like Training Camp. So we wait, and cross our fingers.

Huge risk, which interestingly enough - the rest of the league wasn't concerned about his medical, yet 31 teams passed on a "Top 5 talent."

Hint: Teams know the stats/study kccrow posted and said, "nah we're good."
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He played half a season against a non-con slate.

Wow.
I watched the Marshall game to see if he went up against Green and the Iowa game. 1/2 a season or not, and inferior competition or not, I was pretty impressed with his play. If he can get back to healthy, and they seem to think he can, I like the way he plays.
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I'm just wondering, but do your stats compare a 34-year-old on his third contract and how he recovered from it compared to a 22-year-old out of college who is basically looking to make it?

Technically, this guy isn't even an adult until 3 more years. It's easier to recover the younger you are.

The sample size of players who have torn this tendon is not large enough to do a lot of comparisons by age, but this has been a devastating injury for players - whether they’re on their first deal, or second deal, or into their 30s.

Jack Conklin tore his patellar tendon in 2021, at the beginning of his 2nd contract. He came back the next year, played below his standards, and then blew out every ligament in his OTHER knee. That’s the most recent OL we have enough space for him to rehab from, that I can find (two more tore it last year, so we’ll see).

LeCharles Bentley, who was an all pro interior OL for the Saints, tore it and never made it back on the field. He was in year 2 or 3 of his rookie deal.

Ryan Williams of the Cardinals and Cadillac Williams of the Dolphins both tore it early in their careers and never were the same. Cadillac came back and was bad. Ryan never played again.

Greg Childs blew both patellar tendons in training camp before his rookie season and literally never got started.

Age really isn’t a differentiator on this one.
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They’re putting full trust into Rick Burkholder’s decision.

He ultimately gave them the nod to draft him.

I’m here for it, Rick is a very smart dude. They brought him so he can check him out, in the end Rick obviously said he’s good to go.
Are we talking about the Rick that let Justin Houston play with a torn Acl and was one of the ones that gave Andy Reid info that Eric Berry would be like day to day for 12 games out of 16? lol
That doesn’t sound encouraging.
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This seems bound to be like the Lucas Niang debacle. I fear we didn't learn a damn thing with that.

This smells like demand from the top. Who went over the Coach and GM's head?
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