Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[TEX]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I’ve said it before but if I’m converting anybody to guard, it’s Morris, not Kingsley.

I agree, BUT didn't Morris show fairly well playing RT?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Kingsley was a way bigger project than people thought which is why he would have fallen to the 3rd rd if we didn’t pick him.

A guy with elite size/speed/strength doesn’t fall to the 3rd rd if he doesn’t have enormous flaws. And those massive flaws were evident very quickly.

The first rd tackles and Ersery are not as big of projects as Kingsley.

I'm not buying that he is "enormously" flawed

Baltimores defense is no joke, and he looked good against them

Against Denver he just ran up against an elite type edge who had his rookie number

There simply isn't any conclusive evidence that he is destined for guard and nothing more... they'd be absolutely nuts to draft him as a LT, and completely give up on him after one bad showing

[RunKC]

I don’t trust Jaylon Moore. Extremely small sample size, played in a protected offense that pass rushers constantly feared the run first and doesn’t have a great physical profile.
This could easily go haywire and **** up our entire season again.

Josh Simmons is a top 15 pick if he doesn’t get hurt. He’s got the skills necessary to play the position and this is not a great class. There is no doubt he’s on our draft board. The big question is whether or not Burkholder has cleared his injury to stay on our draft board.

Conerly may be that guy too. I still think he’s got much better hands and footwork than Kingsley but needs to get stronger, which is the easiest thing for a player to get better at.

Everybody saying there are no stars like Joe Alt in this draft makes no sense to me. The Chiefs will never be able to get a star OT bc those guys go top 10 and we pick last.

This draft has some guys who can be decent starting tackles. Simmons could be if he’s cleared, Conerly could be and IMO Ersery could absolutely be a decent starting RT.

The Chiefs have been stranded in the desert at LT for the last 2 years. A decent tackle is worth its weight in gold compared to any other position in this draft.

If Andy and Veach feel that Simmons or Conerly are starting quality LT’s at even a decent level, they should go get them the same way they did for Worthy. Trade up if they get in range.

We had probably the worst LT situation in the league last year. An even decent LT changes the offense.

[Easy 6]

Only 11 days to go, and we'll all - mostly - know the truth of where we stand at LT

[saphojunkie]

I get there are a bunch of DL players who could be great.

Everyone should force themselves to rewatch that Super Bowl and then say we can wait on a LT.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t trust Jaylon Moore. Extremely small sample size, played in a protected offense that pass rushers constantly feared the run first and doesn’t have a great physical profile.
This could easily go haywire and **** up our entire season again.

Josh Simmons is a top 15 pick if he doesn’t get hurt. He’s got the skills necessary to play the position and this is not a great class. There is no doubt he’s on our draft board. The big question is whether or not Burkholder has cleared his injury to stay on our draft board.

Conerly may be that guy too. I still think he’s got much better hands and footwork than Kingsley but needs to get stronger, which is the easiest thing for a player to get better at.

Everybody saying there are no stars like Joe Alt in this draft makes no sense to me. The Chiefs will never be able to get a star OT bc those guys go top 10 and we pick last.

This draft has some guys who can be decent starting tackles. Simmons could be if he’s cleared, Conerly could be and IMO Ersery could absolutely be a decent starting RT.

The Chiefs have been stranded in the desert at LT for the last 2 years. A decent tackle is worth its weight in gold compared to any other position in this draft.

If Andy and Veach feel that Simmons or Conerly are starting quality LT’s at even a decent level, they should go get them the same way they did for Worthy. Trade up if they get in range.

We had probably the worst LT situation in the league last year. An even decent LT changes the offense.

I don't trust ANY of them.

Not Moore, or Kingsley, or Conerly, or Simmons, Ersery, or Grant.

Should we take one, and throw numbers at it? Yeah, probably.

Should we spend extra draft capital to go up and get one?

Nope.

Moore raises the floor enough to be better than last season at a minimum. Maybe considerably better.

We've got to get multiple quality players in every draft now in order to stay on top. Picking last all of the time makes this really difficult.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I get there are a bunch of DL players who could be great.

Everyone should force themselves to rewatch that Super Bowl and then say we can wait on a LT.

I can guarantee with 100 percent certainty that the starting left tackle in the Super Bowl will NOT be manning that position under any circumstances this season.

100 percent.

We signed a guy.

There isn't a day one starter in this draft.

We'll draft another guy that can MAYBE grow into it to go with the other two guys we already drafted.

It'll work out.

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don’t trust Jaylon Moore. Extremely small sample size, played in a protected offense that pass rushers constantly feared the run first and doesn’t have a great physical profile.
This could easily go haywire and **** up our entire season again.

Josh Simmons is a top 15 pick if he doesn’t get hurt. He’s got the skills necessary to play the position and this is not a great class. There is no doubt he’s on our draft board. The big question is whether or not Burkholder has cleared his injury to stay on our draft board.

Conerly may be that guy too. I still think he’s got much better hands and footwork than Kingsley but needs to get stronger, which is the easiest thing for a player to get better at.

Everybody saying there are no stars like Joe Alt in this draft makes no sense to me. The Chiefs will never be able to get a star OT bc those guys go top 10 and we pick last.

This draft has some guys who can be decent starting tackles. Simmons could be if he’s cleared, Conerly could be and IMO Ersery could absolutely be a decent starting RT.

The Chiefs have been stranded in the desert at LT for the last 2 years. A decent tackle is worth its weight in gold compared to any other position in this draft.

If Andy and Veach feel that Simmons or Conerly are starting quality LT’s at even a decent level, they should go get them the same way they did for Worthy. Trade up if they get in range.

We had probably the worst LT situation in the league last year. An even decent LT changes the offense.

Valid points.

Important to also remember that some tackle prospects of the past who were deemed average (Dion Dawkins), turned into really good pros.
You always draft the talent before anything else and trust your coaches to develop them.
Connery would be an excellent pick but I'd be fine with Simmons, too. These two kids in particular have the traits and talent to turn into really good pros.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I get there are a bunch of DL players who could be great.

Everyone should force themselves to rewatch that Super Bowl and then say we can wait on a LT.

Wait on and/or move up for WHO?

There isn't a single safe bet in this draft

[Chris Meck]

guys, it all comes down to this:

If Veach and Reid think there's a LT in this draft, they'll take him. If they don't, they won't.
Maybe they like Conerly. Maybe they think Simmons will return to form. Maybe they think they can coach up Ersery or Grant.

We don't know.

But if they don't, it won't be because they're not concerned.

[BossChief]

I think Moore is as good, or maybe a little better that Orlando Brown was, and Pat had his best year with that level of “good enough”.

He’s the story term answer and if we draft someone, or an in house option improves so that they win the battle for the position, even better.

I think Simmons provides the kind of upside at the position that’s worth a first and if that means we spend a pick next year to move up a couple spots to get in front of a team like the Bills to get him, I’m ok with that…depending on how the board falls.

That upside is worth the risk.

If he returns to form, his attributes would open up a bunch of the offense they ran when Fisher was here and Pat trusted the line and he could go through progressions better and not have to rush throws.

Add in the aspect that our current WRs are far better than that group and a guy like Simmons (if, if, if…) solidified the LT spot with stud play…gonna be a lot of fireworks.

[neech]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Everyone should force themselves to rewatch that Super Bowl and then say we can wait on a LT.

No thanks, Im not watching that again.

We need a LT to protect Patrick and help our run game.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I think Moore is as good, or maybe a little better that Orlando Brown was, and Pat had his best year with that level of “good enough”.

He’s the story term answer and if we draft someone, or an in house option improves so that they win the battle for the position, even better.

I think Simmons provides the kind of upside at the position that’s worth a first and if that means we spend a pick next year to move up a couple spots to get in front of a team like the Bills to get him, I’m ok with that…depending on how the board falls.

That upside is worth the risk.

If he returns to form, his attributes would open up a bunch of the offense they ran when Fisher was here and Pat trusted the line and he could go through progressions better and not have to rush throws.

Add in the aspect that our current WRs are far better than that group and a guy like Simmons (if, if, if…) solidified the LT spot with stud play…gonna be a lot of fireworks.

The odds he returns to form are awful, though.

We’ve spent the past two weeks discussing this and trying to find an NFL player who actually did fully return to form after this injury.

We have yet to name one. Because said player doesn’t exist.

The most likely outcome for Simmons is he is less than he was. And we’re not talking 55/45 here. More like 90/10.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Wallymo

Ok, I've dropped my Simmons infatuation. You guys are speaking too much truth. I just hoped so hard that he was a perfect fit but for the need for additional time to heal. With Moore in tow, the team could give it to him -- it looked like an ideal situation.

But if I fill one hand with wishes and the other with shit I'm confident which will fill first. So I guess I'm on the Conerly bandwagon now. Regardless, I think we have to keep taking swings until we find the guy to protect Patrick's blindside for the remainder of his career.

This idea that a first round pick will protect Pat for "the next ten years" or whatever is a dream and not necessarily reality. Things happen. Injuries, contracts, etc. We all thought Tyreek was a Chief for life. Same with Sneed. Those are just two examples. Unless you're going to pay a LT the way you pay Pat, 10 years is a dream.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I get there are a bunch of DL players who could be great.

Everyone should force themselves to rewatch that Super Bowl and then say we can wait on a LT.

The entire line got manhandled. I guess we should draft a center in round 1 by that logic.

Good teams don't draft like this. Honing in one position of weakness and drafting for it against all other options is how bad teams operate.