Who do you not want the Chiefs to draft?

[RunKC]

We’ve all talked about guys we love and want to draft, but who is on your “I will not be happy if the Chiefs draft them?” list?

Gonna add onto this but so far I have:

Shemar Stewart
Cameron Williams
Tyliek Williams
Kaleb Johnson
Marcus Mbow
Tyler Booker

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Treveyon Henderson, he has all the makings of being a broke dick RB. Missed games with a foot injury which required surgery.

Man, you're going to hate most of the RBs then aren't you.

Ashton Jeanty had to miss a game with a knee strain in 2024, two games in 2023 with a calf strain, and also had an elbow sprian in 2024
Omarion Hampton had a broken ankle in 2021 and thigh bruise in 2024
Quinshon Judkins had to have hand surgery in 2024
Dylan Sampson had a lingering hamstring injury that caused him to miss the playoff game
RJ Harvey had a torn ACL in 2021 and missed the year
DJ Giddens missed most of his Jr year of HS and was injured against Iowa State this year (undisclosed).
Jordan James missed the 2nd half of the Rose Bowl with a concussion
Bhayshul Tuten had a high ankle sprain this October that he played through but affected performance
Trevor Etienne missed 3.5 games with a rib injury and shoulder injury
Ollie Gordon had a couple of in-game leg injuries but never missed real time and was arrested on suspicion of DUI last summer.
Damien Martinez missed some time after being arrested on suspicion of a DUI while at Oregon State
Lequint Allen was suspended for the season for fighting in 2023 but filed a lawsuit to get it lifted
Woody Marks missed one game with a concussion
Jaydon Blue dislocated his knee twice in junior high, tore his groin at the Combine, and had ankle and arm injuries this year
Jarquez Hunter had a knee injury that required surgery in spring of 2022.

So, which ones are you not dismissing?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Spoiler!

Man, you're going to hate most of the RBs then aren't you.

Ashton Jeanty had to miss a game with a knee strain in 2024, two games in 2023 with a calf strain, and also had an elbow sprian in 2024
Omarion Hampton had a broken ankle in 2021 and thigh bruise in 2024
Quinshon Judkins had to have hand surgery in 2024
Dylan Sampson had a lingering hamstring injury that caused him to miss the playoff game
RJ Harvey had a torn ACL in 2021 and missed the year
DJ Giddens missed most of his Jr year of HS and was injured against Iowa State this year (undisclosed).
Jordan James missed the 2nd half of the Rose Bowl with a concussion
Bhayshul Tuten had a high ankle sprain this October that he played through but affected performance
Trevor Etienne missed 3.5 games with a rib injury and shoulder injury
Ollie Gordon had a couple of in-game leg injuries but never missed real time and was arrested on suspicion of DUI last summer.
Damien Martinez missed some time after being arrested on suspicion of a DUI while at Oregon State
Lequint Allen was suspended for the season for fighting in 2023 but filed a lawsuit to get it lifted
Woody Marks missed one game with a concussion
Jaydon Blue dislocated his knee twice in junior high, tore his groin at the Combine, and had ankle and arm injuries this year
Jarquez Hunter had a knee injury that required surgery in spring of 2022.

So, which ones are you not dismissing?

Being very obtuse

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Being very obtuse

No, I'm being realistic. You said you think Henderson is going to be a broke dick, though he's had one injury. So did most of the RBs in this class. So, your point of contention against the guy doesn't have a great basis. Especially given that he has the most complete overall skill set in this draft. I'm wondering why you don't also list any other RBs if your objection is the perceived ability to hold up in the NFL. I stated the known issues with a good segment of the RBs in this draft. I think I'm asking a very valid question. Perhaps you're the one being obtuse?

[kccrow]

Sorry Tribal, I'll retract from coming off as a dick. I just don't think you can assign risk to a specific player due to one injury two years ago without assigning the same risk to similar players with similar or worse histories, and there are more than a couple of those guys. Some, I've seen championed here, not necessarily by you but en masse. I have more worry about a speed back that has lingering hamstring issues than a guy breaking a toe, for example.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Sorry Tribal, I'll retract from coming off as a dick. I just don't think you can assign risk to a specific player due to one injury two years ago without assigning the same risk to similar players with similar or worse histories, and there are more than a couple of those guys. Some, I've seen championed here, not necessarily by you but en masse. I have more worry about a speed back that has lingering hamstring issues than a guy breaking a toe, for example.

Everytime Henderson took a hard hit the announcers gasped. Keep bringing up said injury when it was time for Judkins.

It's a legit worry, and if he plays for the Chiefs he'll get every possible cheap shot or extra tweak for injury (see Pacheco).

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Everytime Henderson took a hard hit the announcers gasped. Keep bringing up said injury when it was time for Judkins.

It's a legit worry, and if he plays for the Chiefs he'll get every possible cheap shot or extra tweak for injury (see Pacheco).

As an OSU fan, I never had a legitimate worry about Henderson at any point getting broken. Announcers can be very stupid, and it doesn't make it real. He wasn't continually knicked up and he didn't take a ton of really punishing hits. Do I see Henderson as a 300 carry RB? Hell no, he's not built to pound between the tackles down after down. He's more of a 200 carry RB that you feed another 50-70 touches in the passing game. He's a Jamaal Charles type of player.

I feel like that's the role we need as well. Don't think he'll be available to us anyhow, so it makes it really moot. I just hope he doesn't end up in our division.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by kccrow

As an OSU fan, I never had a legitimate worry about Henderson at any point getting broken. Announcers can be very stupid, and it doesn't make it real. He wasn't continually knicked up and he didn't take a ton of really punishing hits. Do I see Henderson as a 300 carry RB? Hell no, he's not built to pound between the tackles down after down. He's more of a 200 carry RB that you feed another 50-70 touches in the passing game. He's a Jamaal Charles type of player.

I feel like that's the role we need as well. Don't think he'll be available to us anyhow, so it makes it really moot. I just hope he doesn't end up in our division.

He's not Jamaal, Charles had elite track speed when he got into the 2nd level he was gone for a TD. Henderson's good, but he isn't generational like that. The guy I wanted who is like that was Achane, and the closest to that in this draft is Tuten. If you want a change of pace guy in the 4th round and after.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Here's my concrete list, love it or hate it...

DE Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M
CB Maxwell Hairston, Kentucky
DE James Pearce, Tennessee
OG Tyler Booker, Alabama
OT Cameron Williams, Texas
TE Harold Fannin, Bowling Green
DE Oluwafemi Oladejo, UCLA
WR Xavier Restrepo, Miami
WR Arian Smith, Georgia

Crow, can you expand on why you’re out on these guys?

[Chief Roundup]

I am not sure if this is a 1st round or two or the entire draft. Value makes a huge difference.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Crow, can you expand on why you’re out on these guys?

I think he already expanded a lot on most of these in his underrated/overrated thread.

[Cooter Bailey]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because they can't be 100% confident in his medicals.

Nobody can.

They simply have a larger appetite for risk and/or believe the reward to be high enough to justify it.

I wouldn't, in all likelihood.

But you could show an MRI of a completely successful knee surgery with a totally 'healed' Patella and it still wouldn't answer the questions that actually need to be answered. Happens all the time that guys get hurt and they 'heal' and go through full recovery and are medically cleared and they're just...not the same guy.

And you will not - can not - know until they start to play.

This is one of those odd instances where I don't think you need any sort of information asymmetry in order to reach different conclusions.

Simmons is a high risk high reward player. They are equal IMO. He will either be a marginal player or a long term starter at LT that everyone will wish they would’ve taken. I would take the chance on him if it were me.