Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[kcbubb]

Wanya played mostly RT in college. I think he will be just as good as Taylor at RT. Asking Taylor to play LT is not an easy transition. I’m hopeful that Wanya can be our future RT.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Wanya played mostly RT in college. I think he will be just as good as Taylor at RT. Asking Taylor to play LT is not an easy transition. I’m hopeful that Wanya can be our future RT.

I think he can be a credible RT as well.

He looked pretty good at RT against Houston. He looked pretty good at RT against Denver.

He definitely looked more comfortable. Perhaps that was smaller sample sizes, perhaps it was familiarity. Maybe it was just that the guys knee starts barking at him when he has to play 60+ snaps instead of 30.

I really don't have that answer. But I just don't get this idea that he's some bum.

If we cut him loose, I absolutely think he'd land on an NFL roster. That's not a bust as a late 3rd round pick.

[Sassy Squatch]

If he was anywhere near as good as you think he was they wouldn't have plugged Donovan Smith back in for the playoffs in 24 or had him completely inactive in 25. There are guys up and down the roster on every team playing hurt and injured come January, and if a bone bruise suffered in early August crippled him to that point (which it didn't since he played in multiple meaningless games) the. We have a different problem with him.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

My issue with Toub wasn't Moore.

It was that when we weren't allocating 3-4 roster spots to "Toub's guys", the Special Teams units fell to shit for 2 years. It wasn't just dropped punts, it was silly execution errors, coverage lapses and unforced mistakes.

Exactly that kind of things you pay the "Best STs coach in football" to keep from happening. And as it turned out, he sure started looking like Gunther Cunningham -- great when he was guys that are already good, not so much when he has to cover for them and/or MAKE them good.

The ship righted for the most part last season, but he had a couple of pretty shitty years in there and it wasn't just because of Skyy Moore.

I think that’s a big reason why they drafted Chamarri Conner. Josh Williams has been awful on ST’s. Constantly getting penalties. I’m inclined to think that’s on the player, bc Spags wouldn’t even put him on the field bc the kid has a seizure when he’s forced to play any zone coverage. He was constantly in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

I would be hard pressed to find a better ST’s coach than Toub recently. That Chenal XP block was critical in our SB win. He also blocked another one in the playoffs this year. Remigio with multiple good returns. Winning us the Broncos game. Have multiple kickers off the street go 11/12.

Butker alone is worth keeping Toub. One of the 5 biggest reasons we are a dynasty with kick after kick after kick. He’s the 2nd most accurate kicker ever only bc he had a down year due to a leg injury in 2022.

He’s not perfect by any means but people wanting this guy fired are nuts.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It's not about 'sunk cost' unless you count on a raw second round pick to be ready to start at left tackle in year one. Development is a concept that requires patience.

If they thought he was a long term LT, he'd not be playing LG.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Wanya played mostly RT in college. I think he will be just as good as Taylor at RT. Asking Taylor to play LT is not an easy transition. I’m hopeful that Wanya can be our future RT.

I'm perfectly fine with this being the plan, which is another reason I just can't see taking a tackle in round one. This team needs a day one impact player. I understand how important the tackle position is long term, and I definitely want another one in the early rounds, but not in the first.

I also really think Jaylon Moore could very well be the guy we're looking for at LT, and I think you should give him at least a year to show what he can do before already drafting his potential replacement. You know what his floor is, and if his ceiling doesn't end up being there you can look at a tackle in 2026.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I will note that everyone hated our LB coach when we weren't investing shit at the position. The LB room sure got a lot better when we started layering quality prospects in there, didn't it?

Everyone hated the WR coach until we grabbed a couple good WR prospects in the early rounds and they developed nicely as rookies.

Yes, we've finally started to invest draft capital into the OL. But acting like the array of 2nd and 3rd day picks we've invested into prospects there over the last 15 years is some bounty is a bit silly.

We've used a late 2nd, 2 late 3rd and a 5th on the position in the last DECADE.

That's it. 4 picks that average out to roughly the 99th overall pick. The median is around pick 94.

So in a decade we've used 4 picks that are the rough equivalent of a late 3rd round pick each -- the hit rate on those is going to be damn low, especially at OT. you're looking at maybe a 25% success rate for picks in that area and 'success' for those picks means "occasional starter".

Morris actually qualifies as a successful 96th overall pick.

We're not getting less with more out of our OT investments in the draft. We're getting about what we should expect with less.

Yup. Again it’s a CP overreaction. Creed is the best C in football, Trey was a pro bowler who got all-pro votes. Allegretti was a 6th rd pick who got paid to be a starter, Wylie was a journeyman when he got here and Heck got his ass paid too.

The fact that Wanya was a functional tackle for stretches of the last 2 seasons is a success. He’s a swing tackle. None of those guys are long term solutions.

And people bitch about Jawaan as if the penalties aren’t who he was and will be. Sean Payton is an excellent offensive coach and his staff can’t even fix Garrett Bolles who has also been a penalty drive machine is entire career.

I’m convinced the folks that want these coaches fired need to be tied up and forced to watch the 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 or 2012 Chiefs to see bad coaching.

It’s like people are just picking holes to be angry. This is an elite coaching staff. I wish people would enjoy it instead of shit on it constantly.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they thought he was a long term LT, he'd not be playing LG.

They very well could have determined that the LG spot is his best fit in this offense, we don't really know what actually went on behind the scenes. For there to be such an abrupt decision made, it was clearly agreed upon by all parties. It may have been Kingsley straight up told them he was more comfortable there, who knows.

If he turns into even 75% of what Thuney was, it's still definitely not a sunk cost. To get 3 years of solid LG play on a rookie deal is something I'll take every single day and call that pick a win.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they thought he was a long term LT, he'd not be playing LG.

I don't know if that's entirely true, there's still a chance, all be it slim we see him at LT. Going to guard isn't a bad thing especially when you have your confidence pretty much neutered at LT.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

They very well could have determined that the LG spot is his best fit in this offense, we don't really know what actually went on behind the scenes. For there to be such an abrupt decision made, it was clearly agreed upon by all parties. It may have been Kingsley straight up told them he was more comfortable there, who knows.

If he turns into even 75% of what Thuney was, it's still definitely not a sunk cost. To get 3 years of solid LG play on a rookie deal is something I'll take every single day and call that pick a win.

Using his as a reason to not draft a T prospect, if he's a G now, is sunk cost.

Whatever happened with him is irrelevant

[kcbubb]

And I don’t trust Moore. I’m glad we have him but we need to draft a LT prospect somewhere in this draft. Moore looks more like a guard to me. He did ok but Moore is not an elite mover or athlete and Moore also has short arms. I think that 49ers offense protected him. We need more depth at LT and we need competition at LT. This is a deep draft at DT and RB. This is not a deep LT draft. Why not draft a LT in the first and fill the other needs later? Just because we take a DT in the 2nd doesn’t mean that the 2nd rounder won’t have an impact. Saying, we have to have impact from our 1st round pick doesn’t take into account the depth at DT in this draft. We can get a DT in the 2nd round that can impact this team and a we could get an RB later that can also have impact. We can’t just say, we need an impact player in round 1. Take the best value at an important position in round 1 when considering the positions of depth in this draft.

[philfree]

I think they pulled KS because he just wasn't ready and they didn't want to ruin him. In the end in a meaningless game they got him some playing time at G. It's hard to believe that they would give up that fast on a player that they used a fairly high draft pick

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by philfree

I think they pulled KS because he just wasn't ready and they didn't want to ruin him. In the end in a meaningless game they got him some playing time at G. It's hard to believe that they would give up that fast on a player that they used a fairly high draft pick

I really wish people would stop insinuating that moving him to guard is giving up on him in some way. It's entirely possible all parties involved have determined his best fit in this offense is inside. I get that LG isn't technically as important of a position as LT, but it is still vital, especially in this scheme.

If he's a serviceable LG on a rookie deal for the next 3 years, I'll still chalk that up as a draft pick win.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they thought he was a long term LT, he'd not be playing LG.

THEY should have given him more time and the same help, chipping, and scheme as THEY did for all of the other players who played that position this year, yet THEY did not give him that help or the time to grow.

[Easy 6]

Sheesh man the next 14 days can't pass by soon enough, I'm ready to see this argument put to bed once and for all