Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[kgrund]

I know it is a great draft for DL, but our defense is pretty much ready to roll as is. Yes it can always need pieces to make it even more dynamic and depth is always a concern, but where this team needs help is on offense. This should all be about getting Mahomes right. I think it starts with OT. There a 4 in the 1st that move the needle IMO (Campbell, Membou, Simmons, and Conerly). These guys are likely better than what we have now.

If you can make a minor move to get one, you do it. If not, I am looking at more dynamic playmakers. We need more young explosive players at TE, WR, and RB. That would be the route I would go if the OTs are gone. Again plenty of depth at DL to get help for Jones deeper in the draft.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC Hawks

Nothing will ever top Collinsworth having us take Hendon Hooker in the first round.

"I just want to start a conversation..."

Sure thing, sport...

[Sassy Squatch]

I will say if they're willing to invest EVEN MORE at OT, how's about getting rid of the guy that hasn't developed shit at OT since Eric Fisher.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

I will say if they're willing to invest EVEN MORE at OT, how's about getting rid of the guy that hasn't developed shit at OT since Eric Fisher.

I will note that everyone hated our LB coach when we weren't investing shit at the position. The LB room sure got a lot better when we started layering quality prospects in there, didn't it?

Everyone hated the WR coach until we grabbed a couple good WR prospects in the early rounds and they developed nicely as rookies.

Yes, we've finally started to invest draft capital into the OL. But acting like the array of 2nd and 3rd day picks we've invested into prospects there over the last 15 years is some bounty is a bit silly.

We've used a late 2nd, 2 late 3rd and a 5th on the position in the last DECADE.

That's it. 4 picks that average out to roughly the 99th overall pick. The median is around pick 94.

So in a decade we've used 4 picks that are the rough equivalent of a late 3rd round pick each -- the hit rate on those is going to be damn low, especially at OT. you're looking at maybe a 25% success rate for picks in that area and 'success' for those picks means "occasional starter".

Morris actually qualifies as a successful 96th overall pick.

We're not getting less with more out of our OT investments in the draft. We're getting about what we should expect with less.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they're moving Kingsley to LG, the LT experiment is probably over, so drafting him last year, he's raw etc doesn't matter.

Sunk cost fallacy in play there.

It's not about 'sunk cost' unless you count on a raw second round pick to be ready to start at left tackle in year one. Development is a concept that requires patience.

[RunKC]

Lot of this board wanted Toub fired bc of Skyy Moore, who never returned punts until he was with the Chiefs.

Another example of CP overreaction. We should be kissing Dave Toub’s ass. Butker and Chenal alone were instrumental to playoff success, Toney’s return in the SB was huge, Skyy’s return in the Bengals AFCCG was huge. Hell just last year we beat the Broncos bc of Dave Toub. We were dead to rights and his coaching came through.

Remigio was an undrafted player that had 40+ yd returns in back-to-back playoff games.

The staff is still the best in the league

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lot of this board wanted Toub fired bc of Skyy Moore, who never returned punts until he was with the Chiefs.

Another example of CP overreaction. We should be kissing Dave Toub’s ass. Butker and Chenal alone were instrumental to playoff success, Toney’s return in the SB was huge, Skyy’s return in the Bengals AFCCG was huge. Hell just last year we beat the Broncos bc of Dave Toub. We were dead to rights and his coaching came through.

Remigio was an undrafted player that had 40+ yd returns in back-to-back playoff games.

The staff is still the best in the league

You do realize you quoted a couple examples that make him look like a bit of a buffoon, right? Moore returning kicks his rookie season when he sucked ****ing horribly at it and Remigio wasting away until he was forced onto the active squad due to injury are examples of him being a bad coach, not a good one.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I will note that everyone hated our LB coach when we weren't investing shit at the position. The LB room sure got a lot better when we started layering quality prospects in there, didn't it?

Everyone hated the WR coach until we grabbed a couple good WR prospects in the early rounds and they developed nicely as rookies.

Yes, we've finally started to invest draft capital into the OL. But acting like the array of 2nd and 3rd day picks we've invested into prospects there over the last 15 years is some bounty is a bit silly.

We've used a late 2nd, 2 late 3rd and a 5th on the position in the last DECADE.

That's it. 4 picks that average out to roughly the 99th overall pick. The median is around pick 94.

So in a decade we've used 4 picks that are the rough equivalent of a late 3rd round pick each -- the hit rate on those is going to be damn low, especially at OT. you're looking at maybe a 25% success rate for picks in that area and 'success' for those picks means "occasional starter".

Morris actually qualifies as a successful 96th overall pick.

We're not getting less with more out of our OT investments in the draft. We're getting about what we should expect with less.

By what metric? He's not even a replacement level swing tackle that's been benched multiple times due to shit performance, culminating in him not even being active for the postseason.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lot of this board wanted Toub fired bc of Skyy Moore, who never returned punts until he was with the Chiefs.

Another example of CP overreaction. We should be kissing Dave Toub’s ass. Butker and Chenal alone were instrumental to playoff success, Toney’s return in the SB was huge, Skyy’s return in the Bengals AFCCG was huge. Hell just last year we beat the Broncos bc of Dave Toub. We were dead to rights and his coaching came through.

Remigio was an undrafted player that had 40+ yd returns in back-to-back playoff games.

The staff is still the best in the league

My issue with Toub wasn't Moore.

It was that when we weren't allocating 3-4 roster spots to "Toub's guys", the Special Teams units fell to shit for 2 years. It wasn't just dropped punts, it was silly execution errors, coverage lapses and unforced mistakes.

Exactly that kind of things you pay the "Best STs coach in football" to keep from happening. And as it turned out, he sure started looking like Gunther Cunningham -- great when he was guys that are already good, not so much when he has to cover for them and/or MAKE them good.

The ship righted for the most part last season, but he had a couple of pretty shitty years in there and it wasn't just because of Skyy Moore.

[Sassy Squatch]

If you think he doesn't suck, that's all fine and dandy, but the team clearly does.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

By what metric? He's not even a replacement level swing tackle that's been benched multiple times due to shit performance, culminating in him not even being active for the postseason.

he's exactly a replacement level swing tackle.

Do you just not watch football outside of Kansas City? Because he's EXACTLY what you get from a swing tackle on essentially every team in the league.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

he's exactly a replacement level swing tackle.

Do you just not watch football outside of Kansas City? Because he's EXACTLY what you get from a swing tackle on essentially every team in the league.

No he isn't. He got replaced by Thuney and Humphries at LT because he wasn't capable of even that.

[kcbubb]

Agree 100%. The anti LT group seems to want an immediate contribution from late 1st round pick. That could happen but normally these players have to develop. The chiefs have not invested that much draft capital in the oline. And the results have been that Mahomes has gotten sacked more this last season than any season prior and the anti LT in the first round group says to avoid taking a LT because they will be a project. Well, how do get a talented offensive line picking at the back of the first? You gotta pick some linemen that are projects. The argument to not take a LT because they won’t produce in Year 1 is nonsensical to me. It puts us in a position to sign guys like Jaylon Moore and Jawaan Taylor as over priced free agents. We either have to trade up to around the top 10-15 to get an immediate contributor at LT or we develop a LT or we sign a free agent LT. Pick your poison.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I will note that everyone hated our LB coach when we weren't investing shit at the position. The LB room sure got a lot better when we started layering quality prospects in there, didn't it?

Everyone hated the WR coach until we grabbed a couple good WR prospects in the early rounds and they developed nicely as rookies.

Yes, we've finally started to invest draft capital into the OL. But acting like the array of 2nd and 3rd day picks we've invested into prospects there over the last 15 years is some bounty is a bit silly.

We've used a late 2nd, 2 late 3rd and a 5th on the position in the last DECADE.

That's it. 4 picks that average out to roughly the 99th overall pick. The median is around pick 94.

So in a decade we've used 4 picks that are the rough equivalent of a late 3rd round pick each -- the hit rate on those is going to be damn low, especially at OT. you're looking at maybe a 25% success rate for picks in that area and 'success' for those picks means "occasional starter".

Morris actually qualifies as a successful 96th overall pick.

We're not getting less with more out of our OT investments in the draft. We're getting about what we should expect with less.

[Sassy Squatch]

Dude wasn't even dressing. That's not replacement level, that's practice squad fodder level.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

No he isn't. He got replaced by Thuney and Humphries at LT because he wasn't capable of even that.

From the Saints game through the Buffalo game, he was a solid, starting caliber LT.

Then he wasn't.

And the rumor is still that he was fighting that bone bruise in his knee that prevented him from being able to move laterally as well as he needed to, so he was cheating and the tape got out.

You seem to completely dismiss that possibility. I think there's some validity to it as he looked very similar to how he looked in 2023 during that stretch of solid play.

I have a hard time believing that after showing 8-10 solid starting performances over his rookie year and then into his sophomore season, he suddenly just fell to complete shit.