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I'm never listening to Steve Smith talk about WR projects ever again.

He talked me into Skyy Moore.

**** that guy.
I had to look it up because I vaguely remember that lol.

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“Former NFL wide receiver and current analyst Steve Smith Sr. has expressed high praise for Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Skyy Moore. Smith highlighted Moore’s potential, stating, “The only thing that’s awkward about Skyy Moore is his jersey number. Other than that, he is a bona fide superstar on the rise.” He further predicted, “I believe he will be a 1,200-yard receiver this year.”

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If they go WR, the earliest will be day 2. I think you'd be looking at one of these guys from tiers 2 and 3.
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Jalen Royals has been my WR1 this whole time but I cannot ignore Jaylin Noels. That kid is really ****ing good. I may just have to put them as 1A and 1B.

Noels putting up 23 bench reps at 194 lbs is incredible. Love his 3 cone which shows on his tape. He just gets open all the time.

Really need to take one of these guys at 63 IMO
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I’d like to add a bigger wr late. What about Will Sheppard? His best years was at vandy in 2022 when he caught 60 balls for 776 yards and 9 TDs. I’m a vandy fan and this guy can play. Vandy even had will return punts and the qb situation was not very good for his years at vandy. The lights will not be too bright for Sheppard. I’d take him in the 5th. I think he could be a steal and compliment our speed wrs well. Sheppard has a WR1 mentality.

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After transferring in from Vanderbilt last offseason, Sheppard put together a solid senior campaign for the Buffs, recording 48 receptions, 621 yards and six touchdowns.

While those numbers might not pop at first glance, they become much more impressive when you consider he was working within a crowded and talent-heavy Colorado receiver room. Despite sharing targets with NFL-caliber receivers like Travis Hunter, Jimmy Horn Jr. and LaJohntay Wester, Sheppard still carved out a defined role as a reliable weapon with his big body and elite athleticism, especially in the red zone.

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I've become virulently anti 'big receiver' likely in response to the number of people who insist we need a contested catch guy.

Probably not fair but whatever.

If you're 6'4" and not an athletic unicorn, I'm not interested.
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I've become virulently anti 'big receiver' likely in response to the number of people who insist we need a contested catch guy.

Probably not fair but whatever.

If you're 6'4" and not an athletic unicorn, I'm not interested.
They’re looking at TE’s like Fannin who have elite level speed (within 20 yards) for a 240 lb receiving TE.

Kinda wonder if that is who they want to have as their “bigger WR’s” to utilize in that role.
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They’re looking at TE’s like Fannin who have elite level speed (within 20 yards) for a 240 lb receiving TE.

Kinda wonder if that is who they want to have as their “bigger WR’s” to utilize in that role.
Which is why I'm also not a huge fan of the undersized TEs. I think it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.

That's why I really liked the Wiley selection last year -- he's a TE. He's not just a large WR who lines up in-line on occasion.

I'll take 5'11" to 6'1" with short area quickness 100 times out of 100 over these Keon Coleman types who folks insist we should have but who Mahomes and Reid have never demonstrated a willingness to use.
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Which is why I'm also not a huge fan of the undersized TEs. I think it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.

That's why I really liked the Wiley selection last year -- he's a TE. He's not just a large WR who lines up in-line on occasion.

I'll take 5'11" to 6'1" with short area quickness 100 times out of 100 over these Keon Coleman types who folks insist we should have but who Mahomes and Reid have never demonstrated a willingness to use.
I mean, he forced what, 5 balls to Hopkins? So there is >< this much of an argument. The counterpoint is he forced far more balls to Reek trusting he'd get open than he did to Hopkins.

I'm sure you're position would change if we had a **** it chuck it guy but we have Mahomes. So you go with what works.
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If your a 6'4" and a contested catch type you need at least one elite trait and I don't consider winning contested catches a trait. You've got to be able to get open in the NFL no matter how good you are at jump balls.
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I mean, he forced what, 5 balls to Hopkins? So there is >< this much of an argument. The counterpoint is he forced far more balls to Reek trusting he'd get open than he did to Hopkins.

I'm sure you're position would change if we had a **** it chuck it guy but we have Mahomes. So you go with what works.
Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.
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Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.
They did a pretty nice job with Juju in 2022 in that role and he was a bigger guy who wasn’t particularly fast.

I agree that the speed guys who can get open quickly like Isaiah Bond, Jaylin Lane and Jaylen Noel are probably who they want. They just can’t trust Hollywood to stay healthy there. And even still, they need depth badly.

Harold Fannin is really starting to grow on me bc he fits a lot of what we do. He’s really good at YAC, breaking tackles and getting open in the middle of the field. Sure he’s not a deep speed guy, but Wiley is. Think it’s good to have guys with different traits there.

We need guys who can break tackles, get YAC or even just get open badly. Worthy was literally the only guy we had that could do that for the majority of last season. It was painful watching Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Watson try to get open last year. They’re too old and too slow now. Same with Kareem’s lack of speed at RB.

If I’m Veach I’m absolutely hammering the DL and skill weapons with our first 4 picks. We just can’t keep asking Mahomes to carry a shit offense with guys who are old or can’t make plays.
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Absolutely.

I don't think there's no room for them in the league. But this offense with this QB just doesn't need/want them.

I mean even the highlight play that Hopkins made, definitely something of a '**** it' ball, was still a ball placement throw and really good hands by Hopkins to bring it in through traffic.

It wasn't some play where he threw it into double coverage and let Hopkins body off a guy and high point it.

Mahomes just doesn't throw those. He really doesn't even throw them to Kelce.

As you said, he's far more likely to throw it into space and let his guys run to it than he is to throw it to a big body and hope they win at the catch point.

Could a guy like that be handy in the red zone? Sure - but we won't use 'em. We'll keep doing motion to create mis-matches and trying trick plays vs. asking a guy to just win on the boundary with physicality.

It isn't that I don't think they can play - it's that there are styles and body types that we get more use out of.

So a guy who's "fast for a 6'4" receiver" is still middling by standard measurements.

Sammy Watkins is about the prototype for bigger and more physical WRs in this system. Ayomanor is pretty much the outer bound of guys like that who interest me.

Tre Harris? Jayden Higgins? Savion Wiliams? Pat Bryant? Nah -- just not our guys.

Tory Horton is tall but he's fast and doesn't play physical -- he's a different sort. Maybe someone like Theo Wease if he's there in the 7th. But if I'm looking at a guy like Sheppard vs. a guy like Jordan Watkins, give me Watkins 100 times out of 100.
They did a pretty nice job with Juju in 2022 in that role and he was a bigger guy who wasn’t particularly fast.

I agree that the speed guys who can get open quickly like Isaiah Bond, Jaylin Lane and Jaylin Noel are probably who they want. They just can’t trust Hollywood to stay healthy there. And even still, they need depth badly.

Harold Fannin is really starting to grow on me bc he fits a lot of what we do. He’s really good at YAC, breaking tackles and getting open in the middle of the field. Sure he’s not a deep speed guy, but Wiley is. Think it’s good to have guys with different traits there.

We need guys who can break tackles, get YAC or even just get open badly. Worthy was literally the only guy we had that could do that for the majority of last season. It was painful watching Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Watson try to get open last year. They’re too old and too slow now. Same with Kareem’s lack of speed at RB.

If I’m Veach I’m absolutely hammering the DL and skill weapons with our first 4 picks. We just can’t keep asking Mahomes to carry a shit offense with guys who are old or can’t make plays.
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Bigger WRs need burst for separation. They need that twitch and the ability to run routes.. That’s why I like Sheppard. I think he can become a good route runner and use that vertical and broad jump numbers to get open quickly. Don’t sleep on him. He produced at a high level at vandy as the #1 target against sec competition for 2 years. He went to Colorado and got stuck behind Travis Hunter. Jimmy Horn also produced solid numbers at Colorado. And Sheppard still produced. I wouldn’t label Sheppard as just a contested catch guy. He’s more than that but his catch radius is definitely helpful. Sheppard is not a burner but I think he could be a good compliment to what we have. As far as burners go, don’t forget that we have Tyquan Thornton on the roster. Thornton is still young at 24.Developing as a wr in that patriots offense couldn’t have been easy with the qbs, oline and overall, the pats offense just stunk. At some point, you gotta draft guys that can play football and Sheppard has that kind of IQ.
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