First Round Targets

[staylor26]

RB:

TreVeyon Henderson, Ohio St.

OT:

Josh Conerly Jr., Oregon
Josh Simmons, Ohio St.


DT:

Derrick Harmon, Oregon
Kenneth Grant, Michigan
Tyleik Williams, Ohio St.

EDGE:

Mykel Williams, Georgia
Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M
Nic Scourton, Texas A&M
J.T. Tuimoloau, Ohio St.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

It’s seems like there are a few freak DTs that could be available late. What late round DTs do you like? Or even edge guys that might be available 4th round and on for us?

4th round... I'd say Vernon Broughton (Texas), Ty Hamilton (Ohio State), Elijah Roberts (SMU), and Sai'Vion Jones (LSU). Then I'm gonna give you all a sleeper I've heard not a soul around talk about...

Davin Vann, N.C. State.

He only played at about 6'2" 280 but man what a first step and just pure explosion and disruption. He played DE in their 3-3-5. He's not really long enough to play DE in the NFL but I thought I seen measurements of a 4.79 40 and 33" vertical, so he can fill out his frame more and filter in as a sub-package rush DT.

He's #1 in the below highlight:

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by kccrow

4th round... I'd say Vernon Broughton (Texas), Ty Hamilton (Ohio State), Elijah Roberts (SMU), and Sai'Vion Jones (LSU). Then I'm gonna give you all a sleeper I've heard not a soul around talk about...

Davin Vann, N.C. State.

He only played at about 6'2" 280 but man what a first step and just pure explosion and disruption. He played DE in their 3-3-5. He's not really long enough to play DE in the NFL but I thought I seen measurements of a 4.79 40 and 33" vertical, so he can fill out his frame more and filter in as a sub-package rush DT.

He's #1 in the below highlight:

Kinda sounds like a Tershawn Wharton from your description

[kcbubb]

Van looks like he’s got potential. I could see him taking that Wharton role. I had a hard time finding him. He wasn’t on a few sites. 58th ranked dl on nfl draft buzz. How do you find these guys? What’s your best late round pick in the past? And your biggest miss?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Van looks like he’s got potential. I could see him taking that Wharton role. I had a hard time finding him. He wasn’t on a few sites. 58th ranked dl on nfl draft buzz. How do you find these guys? What’s your best late round pick in the past? And your biggest miss?

You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Kinda sounds like a Tershawn Wharton from your description

Way better prospect coming in though. I don't know how Vann gets zero buzz, honestly. His stats at N.C. State is better than most of the guys getting 1st round talk. All I can think of is that he's a tweener. It's not like he didn't play at a high level at a Power 5 school...

[kcbubb]

That’s the fun part about this. It’s really hard to guess who will be good. You’re showing age there with some of those picks! You’ve been watching the draft as long as Mel Kiper?

Originally Posted by kccrow

You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.

[kozzman555]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.

Just remember we are only seeing part of the picture when we do our evaluations. We only see the tape and the measurements. We don't know how hard or if they practice. We don't know their work ethic, we don't know their intelligence, we don't know their personalities. All of those are just as important to success, maybe even more so, than what we see on tape. So for you to have as many hits as you do, without being able to see the whole picture is impressive. If you had all of the data and interviews and could see everything the teams get to see, I feel like your success rate would be pretty high up there.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Way better prospect coming in though. I don't know how Vann gets zero buzz, honestly. His stats at N.C. State is better than most of the guys getting 1st round talk. All I can think of is that he's a tweener. It's not like he didn't play at a high level at a Power 5 school...

I'm not exactly clued up but man i've not heard a thing anywhere on this guy, that's a great spot kccrow! That get off looks legit.

[RunKC]

Shemar Stewart scares the hell out of me. I don’t want him.

Sure he’s great in the underwear Olympics but 1.5 sacks every year in college? The guy had Shemar Turner and Walter Nolen next to him for a year and then Shemar Turner and Nic Scourton, who had 10 sacks at Purdue the year prior.

Idk man.

[RunKC]

FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RunKC

FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

Bring him to KC.

He’ll shower with Chris Jones and get humbled real quick.

[staylor26]

Yea, that just reeks of the Chiefs getting a player everybody inevitably regrets passing on. Bring me Nolen.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

This is where you know some people are full of shit entirely. His run defense is really quite good. If he didn't give a shit about it, he'd be more like Shemar Stewart against the run.

I bet there are some character flags there regarding maturity and entitlement but some of this goes way too far into the BS category at this point.

I find it difficult to believe he's going to completely fall out of round 1 for it given the bullshit teams have drafted in the past, and in the top 10 at that. This is a player that should probably go #3 to New York. All it takes is one team to think he'll be fine in their culture and he's coming off the board very early.

There was a ton of chatter about the same with Jermaine Johnson and he was a far less talented prospect. Still ended up going in round 1 at #26.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea, that just reeks of the Chiefs getting a player everybody inevitably regrets passing on. Bring me Nolen.

Yeah, if he's sitting there at 31, just run the ****ing card in.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mykel Williams just ran a 4.76 40 at 267 lbs. He’ll definitely go in the teens or early 20’s at worst. Currently Daniel Jeremiah’s 20th ranked player.

So what do we have here?

Abdul Carter
Mason Graham
Jalon Walker
Mykel Williams
Mike Green
James Pearce

That’s 6 DL alone. Feels like one of Harmon or Nolen will be there in the mid 20’s and it will be the perfect opportunity for Veach to own Buffalo again by trading in fromt of them for his guy.

I like Nic Scourton, but I feel like he’s secondary to those guys bc of the value they can provide as interior rushers. Harmon and Nolen have legit high ceiling potential.

Idk. Feels like Veach is gonna want to pounce on one of those guys falling. Really good class but Harmon and Nolen are clearly a level above the rest.

Mykel is #15 on a couple of other routinely accurate boards. I don't see him going later than 19 to Tampa. He's not even a consideration of mine. Would love it, but it's just not realistic.