Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, but as we've seen with Pacheco, sometimes they can't even last 4 years when they play that way.

The problem with the RB room last year wasn't even Pacheco.

It was the absolute absurdity leaving training camp with nothing but Pacheco and Steele.

We can say nice things about Veach - sure. But **** me, what the hell were they thinking? They had to know CEH wasn't gonna make it back (if the reporting on the Chiefs willingness to accommodate his well-known PTSD issues is true). They had to know Steele was a bag of smashed assholes.

The RB room was a ****ing joke.

All RBs break. Fast, dynamic young backs will STILL break.

The problem isn't that Pacheco broke - it's that we had absolutely nothing in the pipe for when he inevitably did. That wasn't a scouting/style failure -- it was a roster planning failure.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem with the RB room last year wasn't even Pacheco.

It was the absolute absurdity leaving training camp with nothing but Pacheco and Steele.

We can say nice things about Veach - sure. But **** me, what the hell were they thinking? They had to know CEH wasn't gonna make it back (if the reporting on the Chiefs willingness to accommodate his well-known PTSD issues is true). They had to know Steele was a bag of smashed assholes.

The RB room was a ****ing joke.

All RBs break. Fast, dynamic young backs will STILL break.

The problem isn't that Pacheco broke - it's that we had absolutely nothing in the pipe for when he inevitably did. That wasn't a scouting/style failure -- it was a roster planning failure.

Only 2 explosive runs of 20 or more yards last season which was dead last. We didn’t get one of those runs until November 29th.

But O.City will continue his nonsense that “the generational QB who is being paid half a billion should make this work”.

The Chiefs had the worst LT and RB’s in the entire league. They also had total shit outside of Worthy at WR most of the season due to injuries.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem with the RB room last year wasn't even Pacheco.

It was the absolute absurdity leaving training camp with nothing but Pacheco and Steele.

We can say nice things about Veach - sure. But **** me, what the hell were they thinking? They had to know CEH wasn't gonna make it back (if the reporting on the Chiefs willingness to accommodate his well-known PTSD issues is true). They had to know Steele was a bag of smashed assholes.

The RB room was a ****ing joke.

All RBs break. Fast, dynamic young backs will STILL break.

The problem isn't that Pacheco broke - it's that we had absolutely nothing in the pipe for when he inevitably did. That wasn't a scouting/style failure -- it was a roster planning failure.

I agree with this. I think we wasted time on the rugby player too. I want one of the ohio state backs in the 2nd-3rd

But I’m sure there are decent running backs all over who I haven’t heard of. So it’ll be hard not to upgrade that position.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Only 2 explosive runs of 20 or more yards last season which was dead last. We didn’t get one of those runs until November 29th.

But O.City will continue his nonsense that “the generational QB who is being paid half a billion should make this work”.

The Chiefs had the worst LT and RB’s in the entire league. They also had total shit outside of Worthy at WR most of the season due to injuries.

Mahomes needs to be better.

The RB room and LT situation needed to be improved.

Both things can be true.

Mahomes was not at his best last year. Far from it. There are QBs in the league that did more with less than he did last season. If what he did last season is what he's capable of -- even considering the shortcomings around him -- we wouldn't consider him in the pantheon of all time greats.

It was not a representative season for him, IMO.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Short of QB or maybe OG, there's not a single position they could take at #31 that I would find upsetting. Just get a good football player. The rest will all work out. Rinse and repeat.

Spot on

[Cooter Bailey]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mahomes needs to be better.

The RB room and LT situation needed to be improved.

Both things can be true.

Mahomes was not at his best last year. Far from it. There are QBs in the league that did more with less than he did last season. If what he did last season is what he's capable of -- even considering the shortcomings around him -- we wouldn't consider him in the pantheon of all time greats.

It was not a representative season for him, IMO.

Poor take. Mahomes wasn’t great because his offensive line was pitiful on the left side. He was running for his life most of the time. Also the RB room was just as pitiful. I hope Veach corrects these obvious problems in the draft.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Cooter Bailey

Poor take. Mahomes wasn’t great because his offensive line was pitiful on the left side. He was running for his life most of the time. Also the RB room was just as pitiful. I hope Veach corrects these obvious problems in the draft.

But he wasn't. And often when he was, it was because he was holding the ball too long.

I mean this has been litigated to death -- I'm disinclined to do it again. But the bottom line is that Chiefs fans are simply never satisfied with their OL play unless they're able to get those early 2000s Chiefs lines.

When you look at any number of pass rush win metrics, time to throw metrics, etc... PM had fairly average protection unless/until he held the ball longer than he should and/or dropped too far back or drifted into pressure.

I saw an interesting stat somewhere that showed that PM was 2nd in the entire NFL in pressures attributable to his decision-making (only Bo Nix was worse). He did things to make his life harder.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But he wasn't. And often when he was, it was because he was holding the ball too long.

I mean this has been litigated to death -- I'm disinclined to do it again. But the bottom line is that Chiefs fans are simply never satisfied with their OL play unless they're able to get those early 90s Chiefs lines.

When you look at any number of pass rush win metrics, time to throw metrics, etc... PM had fairly average protection unless/until he held the ball longer than he should and/or dropped too far back or drifted into pressure.

I saw an interesting stat somewhere that showed that PM was 2nd in the entire NFL in pressures attributable to his decision-making (only Bo Nix was worse). He did things to make his life harder.

Pat was bad and proceeded to pee or crap down his leg much of the season.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Only 2 explosive runs of 20 or more yards last season which was dead last. We didn’t get one of those runs until November 29th.

But O.City will continue his nonsense that “the generational QB who is being paid half a billion should make this work”.

The Chiefs had the worst LT and RB’s in the entire league. They also had total shit outside of Worthy at WR most of the season due to injuries.

Yes, the answer is to draft a rb in the first round.

We've cracked the code.

[O.city]

They also had Perine who they refused to really use for some reason.

[RunKC]

Mahomes was really bad the first 6 weeks, then seemed to be closer to normal with a 20 TD to 3 INT ratio the last 10 games leading the league in 3rd down offense and having 7 game winning drives.

I think the offensive problems in general just really compounded in a horrible way. Hollywood gets hurt in preseason, Pacheco breaks his leg in week 2, Kingsley gets Mahomes killed in week 2, Rashee goes on IR in the beginning of week 4, Worthy forced to be the guy when he’s not ready.

We legitimately had Alligator Boy starting for us, Watson as WR1 for a month and Mahomes ADOT was terrible bc the staff clearly didn’t trust Wanya to do the job.

Really need to get a RB and WR with playmaking ability to help Mahomes bc Hollywood’s history says he will be hurt again, Rashee will most likely be suspended again and we can’t be overconfident that Rashee will be that guy again quickly off this injury.

Pass rush and weapons. Hope that’s the priority early in the draft

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by O.city

They also had Perine who they refused to really use for some reason.

Perine was used in the correct role

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, the answer is to draft a rb in the first round.

We've cracked the code.

No reason to take one at 31 when you can grab one if desired with the other top 100 picks. Pacheco isn't the guy, Kareem is no longer the guy, and Elijah Mitchell hasn't proven to stay healthy, but when healthy can be explosive. Theres no reason to give Pacheco a 2nd contract, draft one, run the wheels off, rinse and repeat.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, the answer is to draft a rb in the first round.

We've cracked the code.

Nah I still prefer a DL. Just not discounting that Henderson could be an option if we get stuck in no man’s land again and the board is total shit.

I do think we are taking one on day 2. Probably 3rd rd at 66

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

They also had Perine who they refused to really use for some reason.

Not in camp.

He was after cutdowns.

They somehow went through an entire training camp with Pacheco and Steele and just figured it would all work out in the end.

It was really, really silly.