Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Balto

HELL if Veach really puts guys like Simmons and Conerly up so high who says all these pre-mock guys are wrong and BOTH go top 15?

With that in mind I think the only thing Veach can do is this:

Miami gets:
#31
2026 1st
#66
2026 3rd

KC Gets:
Reek
#13-OT

Have you seen his new contract? He's owed $40 million in 2029. That ship has sailed.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Have you seen his new contract? He's owed $40 million in 2029. That ship has sailed.

TBF, $40 million in 2029 is probably equal to 10-12 million this season. Hell if they add an 18th game might be closer to 7-9 million this season.

[Chris Meck]

You guys need to get over your nostalgia.

Reek isn't coming back. We're not paying that. It's not happening. Quit dreaming.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You guys need to get over your nostalgia.

Reek isn't coming back. We're not paying that. It's not happening. Quit dreaming.

Meant to upvote my bad

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Who said don't invest? We are talking about investing WISELY.

Trading up to get another SHOT at a tackle isn't wise, at all. It would actually be pretty stupid.

Mahomes has been really patient and a great leader with not criticizing the organization. His numbers have not been up to his standards for a while. Mahomes has valued winning and been unselfish but I don’t want to push that forever. I think it would be a statement from the organization on valuing Mahomes if we invest in a trade up to protect him. The last thing we need is a frustrated Mahomes. He’s got a bunch of kids at home and is adjusting to being a dad and growing up. He seems to be a good husband. I just don’t want to push him too far. We need to see mahomes having fun again and there aren’t any good free agent options for LTs. Who’s our backup tackle if Moore is injured or doesn’t perform well? Morris or Kingsley is not going to make Mahomes feel comfortable. How long do you expect to play it cool with all this pressure. Simmons ceiling is as high as any tackle in this draft. I’d protect my marquee player in Mahomes and let him know that we aren’t satisfied with how much he’s getting hit. I think that’s very wise and a really smart investment. This isn’t just x & O’s. It’s showing a commitment to Mahomes. Mahomes is the most important person in the organization and we need to keep him happy. Plus I think Simmons is a great value in the 20s and if he’s available go get him. Simmons could be the starter later in the season. Simmons has all the traits you look for. He’s a freak athlete and he’s strong too.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Mahomes has been really patient and a great leader with not criticizing the organization. His numbers have not been up to his standards for a while. Mahomes has valued winning and been unselfish but I don’t want to push that forever. I think it would be a statement from the organization on valuing Mahomes if we invest in a trade up to protect him. The last thing we need is a frustrated Mahomes. He’s got a bunch of kids at home and is adjusting to being a dad and growing up. He seems to be a good husband. I just don’t want to push him too far. We need to see mahomes having fun again and there aren’t any good free agent options for LTs. Who’s our backup tackle if Moore is injured or doesn’t perform well? Morris or Kingsley is not going to make Mahomes feel comfortable. How long do you expect to play it cool with all this pressure. Simmons ceiling is as high as any tackle in this draft. I’d protect my marquee player in Mahomes and let him know that we aren’t satisfied with how much he’s getting hit. I think that’s very wise and a really smart investment. This isn’t just x & O’s. It’s showing a commitment to Mahomes. Mahomes is the most important person in the organization and we need to keep him happy. Plus I think Simmons is a great value in the 20s and if he’s available go get him. Simmons could be the starter later in the season. Simmons has all the traits you look for. He’s a freak athlete and he’s strong too.

You just started looking into the draft, didn't you?

Let me catch you up.

Simmons, if he's healthy, would absolutely be a top 15 and maybe top 10 pick.

thing is, he had a horrific injury, one that is usually a career ender. So, the likelihood that he'll EVER be what he was before the injury is slim. If he's available anywhere near our pick, it's because of that.

So, maybe not the slam dunk you think. It's also not a great year for a left tackle in the draft. Certainly not for a plug and play, day one starter.

So we can WANT that as much as we like, but it doesn't make it feasible.

[Coogs]

If Mike Tice is to be believed, Conerly is the best tackle in the draft. He watched two films. The OSU and Penn State films, and raved at his skill set. The podcast with his son that crow posted is worth your listen. It's and hour + long, but the first 30 to 35 minutes is all that you really need to listen too. And yes, you should listen to all of those 35 minutes. He breaks down the list one at a time, and Conerly is about 7th on the list.

[kcbubb]

What? Not feasible? We just tagged our RG, Trey smith, who supposedly had a career threatening health problem. I think we drafted him in the 6th or 7th? If the docs examine Simmons and say that he’ll be 100% by the playoffs, you move up & take him, IMO. Simmons has great feet and he can run. He’s physical and can handle a bull rush. I thought he moved like a big te on screens. His punch and hands are impressive. They are all traits at this point but he showed enough tape to be our best shot at a long term LT in my opinion. You don’t get talents like this in the back half of the 1st. The risk is worth the reward. It’s a premium position and modern medicine seems to keep these athletes on the field. Moore is a perfect transition piece for the long term. Simmons would have to beat him out to earn the job.

[kcbubb]

You don’t have to be a scout to see Simmons and conerlys feet. Just watch their highlights. They can move. Conerly did great against Carter. And I did listen to rice on Simmons and conerly. I’d take Simmons bc he’s stronger and uses his hands better, IMO, assuming he’s 100% ready by the playoffs.just watch the tape and you can see it. Simmons has said that he’ll be ready by training camp but I’m not buying it.

Originally Posted by Coogs

If Mike Tice is to be believed, Conerly is the best tackle in the draft. He watched two films. The OSU and Penn State films, and raved at his skill set. The podcast with his son that crow posted is worth your listen. It's and hour + long, but the first 30 to 35 minutes is all that you really need to listen too. And yes, you should listen to all of those 35 minutes. He breaks down the list one at a time, and Conerly is about 7th on the list.

[xztop123]

I’d be happy with Connolly / Simmons. The MU wr. Michigan defensive tackle.

Those are proly my 4 favorites

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Mahomes has been really patient and a great leader with not criticizing the organization. His numbers have not been up to his standards for a while. Mahomes has valued winning and been unselfish but I don’t want to push that forever. I think it would be a statement from the organization on valuing Mahomes if we invest in a trade up to protect him. The last thing we need is a frustrated Mahomes. He’s got a bunch of kids at home and is adjusting to being a dad and growing up. He seems to be a good husband. I just don’t want to push him too far. We need to see mahomes having fun again and there aren’t any good free agent options for LTs. Who’s our backup tackle if Moore is injured or doesn’t perform well? Morris or Kingsley is not going to make Mahomes feel comfortable. How long do you expect to play it cool with all this pressure. Simmons ceiling is as high as any tackle in this draft. I’d protect my marquee player in Mahomes and let him know that we aren’t satisfied with how much he’s getting hit. I think that’s very wise and a really smart investment. This isn’t just x & O’s. It’s showing a commitment to Mahomes. Mahomes is the most important person in the organization and we need to keep him happy. Plus I think Simmons is a great value in the 20s and if he’s available go get him. Simmons could be the starter later in the season. Simmons has all the traits you look for. He’s a freak athlete and he’s strong too.

If Simmons checks out medically, he will go well before the Chiefs pick. Conerly is really the only realistic option.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

What? Not feasible? We just tagged our RG, Trey smith, who supposedly had a career threatening health problem. I think we drafted him in the 6th or 7th? If the docs examine Simmons and say that he’ll be 100% by the playoffs, you move up & take him, IMO. Simmons has great feet and he can run. He’s physical and can handle a bull rush. I thought he moved like a big te on screens. His punch and hands are impressive. They are all traits at this point but he showed enough tape to be our best shot at a long term LT in my opinion. You don’t get talents like this in the back half of the 1st. The risk is worth the reward. It’s a premium position and modern medicine seems to keep these athletes on the field. Moore is a perfect transition piece for the long term. Simmons would have to beat him out to earn the job.

blood clots versus a patellar tendon tear.

It's not apples to apples.

IF Simmons is 100%, sure. That's a really big IF.

I know KCCrow loves Conerly.

[duncan_idaho]

I mean, a tendon can be repaired/sound and the player can still be less than they were before.

It happens all the time - athletes and non-athletes alike. That patellar tendon repair is one that has been notoriously difficult to completely return to form from.

This isn’t an ACL or a broken bone…

[Wallymo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I mean, a tendon can be repaired/sound and the player can still be less than they were before.

It happens all the time - athletes and non-athletes alike. That patellar tendon repair is one that has been notoriously difficult to completely return to form from.

This isn’t an ACL or a broken bone…

That's fair, and is consistent with the common refrain we have seen here -- if Simmons makes it to 31 that means he's not healthy and we don't want him.

But what if it's an injury that just takes additional time to heal? I could certainly see teams passing on him if he won't be 100% until midseason. For us, that's probably fine though. We are looking for the long term solution. So I'm not sure I agree that he's permanently damaged goods just because others don't take the swing.

More concerning is talk that he will never be the same player. I don't have the expertise to comment on that opinion. If he can NEVER return to health, don't take him. But if he just needs a bit of time, I think we are in a good position to offer it.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Wallymo

That's fair, and is consistent with the common refrain we have seen here -- if Simmons makes it to 31 that means he's not healthy and we don't want him.

But what if it's an injury that just takes additional time to heal? I could certainly see teams passing on him if he won't be 100% until midseason. For us, that's probably fine though. We are looking for the long term solution. So I'm not sure I agree that he's permanently damaged goods just because others don't take the swing.

More concerning is talk that he will never be the same player. I don't have the expertise to comment on that opinion. If he can NEVER return to health, don't take him. But if he just needs a bit of time, I think we are in a good position to offer it.

I think it’s less a concern of recovery time and more a loss of explosion and onset of continuing issues, like arthritis.

There are plenty of bad teams that could use a LT and that can afford to wait an extra six months for him to be ready.