Hot take: Veach should draft a DT in the first 2 rds

[RunKC]

This is the best DT class in years. DT and RB are easily the best positions in this draft and we should capitalize on them.

Derrick Harmon
Walter Nolen
Darius Alexander
TJ Sanders
Josh Farmer
Ty Robinson
Omar Norman-Lott

This isn’t even counting a lot of other talented guys that I don’t have listed here like Tyleik Williams or Alfred Collins. Hell there’s guys in rd 3 and 4 that I like too. Vernon Broughton, Shemar Turner or CJ West.

**** me. Might just have to double the **** up gents

[JPH83]

Que Robinson isn't a guy you hear a lot about, but man there feels like there's a lot of upside there as mid-round pick. Again, doubt we'd pick him. But every measurement seems to suggest he's winning a LOT

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

Re-instills my interest in David Walker

[DJ's left nut]

I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.

Josh Farmer and Omar Norman-Lott seem like great values that will be there. And there’s a ton of Omenihu type DE’s who will be there too. There’s so many of them. And even guys like Elijah Roberts who would give them a much better version of Mike Danna with way higher ceiling playing outside and inside, a lot like Kobie Turner in LA.

The amount of talent that’s going to be available on the DL really makes me wonder if the Chiefs will use their 1st rd pick on offense just bc of the litany of excellent DL that will be pushed down the board. And I do think these guys are gonna get pushed down the board.

Maybe Luther Burden? Maybe Omarion Hampton if he falls? Maybe

I still think Harmon is who they’ll want but he will likely be gone. And man I have been sold on Scourton bc his ceiling is noticeably higher than Karlaftis.

Feels like they’re gonna completely reset this DL and get multiple guys with those 4 top 100 picks.

[kccrow]

Much like DJ with Norman-Lott, who I really like as a situational pass-rush guy, my guy at DT has really become T.J. Sanders. If you can allow him the same freedom he had at SC to just create havoc, he's going to be special. He needs some coaching up on pad level and needs to add more mass to become a better bull rusher, but man can he add some juice to a lineup. He's also pretty damned stout against the run.

He kind of fits in that no-man's land for us though. He may or may not be a top 32 guy but he's a top 48 guy. So, do you take him in 1 because he's not likely there at 63.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Much like DJ with Norman-Lott, who I really like as a situational pass-rush guy, my guy at DT has really become T.J. Sanders. If you can allow him the same freedom he had at SC to just create havoc, he's going to be special. He needs some coaching up on pad level and needs to add more mass to become a better bull rusher, but man can he add some juice to a lineup. He's also pretty damned stout against the run.

He kind of fits in that no-man's land for us though. He may or may not be a top 32 guy but he's a top 48 guy. So, do you take him in 1 because he's not likely there at 63.

That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

You are thinking ONL in the 2nd? I was thinking more like late 3. I wouldn't hate it or anything, I just have some reservations about his snap share and his ability to hold up against the run.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You are thinking ONL in the 2nd? I was thinking more like late 3. I wouldn't hate it or anything, I just have some reservations about his snap share and his ability to hold up against the run.

I think what'll end up happening is that at the back of 2 I'll see someone I like a little bit better than ONL and I'll wanna go that route (Ersery seems a strong possibility) but then when that pick comes up in the early 3rd, I won't be able to hold my fire.

I'd be so bummed out if he got to us in 3 and we passed only to lose him prior to our late 3 that I'd almost certainly grab him with the Titans pick.

Ultimately I kinda use our pick and that Titans pick interchangeably in my head, though.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.

I'd have no problem with that. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I agree with Veach's tendency to look at the younger player first. But if a guy is a unique talent, he's a unique talent. And you may be right about Norman-Lott.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

Do you like Ersery as a LT or RT?

[kccrow]

Ersery isn't making it to 53 much less 63. Not a chance. I'd be a bit surprised if he makes it to 43

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Do you like Ersery as a LT or RT?

If we were lucky enough to get him in 2, I'd go ahead and put him at LT and see what happens. He played LT in college, we don't need him to play this year. So I'd play him where I think he'd make the best transition long-term and I think ultimately that would be at LT.

The problem is an obvious one - if Moore is good at LT and you have Taylor's big cap number next year, the slide over to RT feels inevitable. And Moore has been buns at RT throughout his career so you really don't want to move him over there.

So my plan costs us a year of valuable development time if you see him as your long-term RT. And if the Chiefs decided to use the 2025 season to redshirt him as he transitions to RT, I would completely understand that.

But I think he has LT tools and would love to see him stay at LT to fully develop them and potentially replace Moore at LT in 2027. If Moore proves to be more than average to slightly above average at LT and you extend him, so be it. But I think Ersery's tools are significantly better than Moore's and he has the raw talent to be at/near a pro bowl level with patience (and maybe then you see Kingsley or even Wanya make the shift to RT).

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Ersery isn't making it to 53 much less 63. Not a chance. I'd be a bit surprised if he makes it to 43

yeah - I'd say it just depends largely on how many of these OTs in this draft are actually OGs.

There are a few guys more 'ready to play' than Ersery who, if teams think they can stick at OT, might go ahead of him when we don't expect it. Milum, Savalahwhatever from Arizona, Jackson, Mbow, Zabel -- if there are teams looking at those guys as genuine OTs then they might be more polished enough to the point that they end up ahead of Ersery.


If that pushes him from, say, the 6th ranked OT to the 10th ranked OT, then you might see him fall to the back of 2.

You're probably right, but I won't close the book on the possibility just yet.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

yeah - I'd say it just depends largely on how many of these OTs in this draft are actually OGs.

There are a few guys more 'ready to play' than Ersery who, if teams think they can stick at OT, might go ahead of him when we don't expect it. Milum, Savalahwhatever from Arizona, Jackson, Mbow, Zabel -- if there are teams looking at those guys as genuine OTs then they might be more polished enough to the point that they end up ahead of Ersery.


If that pushes him from, say, the 6th ranked OT to the 10th ranked OT, then you might see him fall to the back of 2.

You're probably right, but I won't close the book on the possibility just yet.

The PFF simulator often has Ersery available with our 2nd pick, and I've regularly gone Harmon, Ersery, ONL with those first 3. Or Scourton when Harnon is gone. I think Harmon is gone by 31 and Ersery by that 2nd pick, but as you say, it's not impossible, and holy s*** that would be nice.

I've repeatedly tried to shoe-horn a faster edge into the equation in the first few picks, but I've given up hope on that happening. If Spag is going to insist on bigger, powerful DEs over speed and bend, f*** it, I'm onboard with the creating chaos from the interior plan.

[RunKC]

Okay fellas. How do you rank the DT’s for us today?