Chiefs *****The Kingsley Suamataia Thread***** - Page 91

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farmerchief · 02-28-2025, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

People want answers now, and the Super Bowl only made it worse. They'll be disappointed when its Humphries and Kingsley in a camp battle.

Instead of reaching for a TE in the draft, perhaps the Chiefs need to think about replacing their offenseive line coach? Andy would never fire a long time coach, but maybe somebody that does it differant might be due?

TEX · 02-28-2025, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

and I'm absolutely FOR addressing offense, especially LT and RB.

I just wouldn't go out of my way to draft another LT project. Sign one in FA, or sign a stop-gap vet and develop the guys you're already working on and move Kingsley to RT for '26.

Use the strength of the draft. Draft DL and RB.

Yep. There will be good value at DL and.RB when the Chiefs pick. Regarding LT, take the guesswork out the best you can. However you can do that.

DJ's left nut · 02-28-2025, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Exactly this. Sure, everyone wanted plug and play, but that was never really in the cards. He has the traits; we simply need to be patient.

I think people were a bit shocked by just how raw he was.

But I think that's because they (and me as well) forgot what exactly 'raw' looks like. I mean we talk about a 'raw' prospect and we refer back to Eric Fisher and Branden Albert -- two guys who were premium OL prospects. Those guys weren't 'raw' -- they just weren't finished yet.

It's been a looooooooong time since we've really watched a good but not elite prospect with genuinely poor technique try to learn against professionals. We thought we'd see the Eric Fisher development path and forget that Fisher went 60 spots ahead of where Kingsley did for a reason.

And honestly....I kinda wonder if Reid didn't do the same thing and that's why Kingsley got so little help and then such a fast hook.

I've had 6 dogs in my adult life. I'm good at 'em. I know what they are and what they aren't. I know what I'm in for. But I'll tell ya what, every time I get a new puppy it's the same thing -- "Dammit, I forgot what a pain in the ass these things are for the first 4 months!" Years and years of experience with 'em, plenty of knowledge and ultimately an innate awareness of what I'm in for -- it STILL doesn't fully register until you're actually doing it again.

The Kingsley saga is what developing an OT looks like more often than not. I think the fans forgot and I think Reid kinda fumbled it a bit because he maybe forgot as well. He's had a lot of dogs - he's been through this before. But he still wasn't ready for this one to shit on his bed and eat the baseball glove he spent 20 years breaking in.

Kingsley wasn't a bad puppy -- Andy just forgot that they're a pain in the ass sometimes.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-28-2025, 08:29 AM

The key difference between Kingsley and your typical raw, young T is the kid was throwing no-hitters. Letting Mahomes get pummeled by pass rushers who were essentially just running a cone.

That’s where I feel like they’re looking at him and saying, he needs at least two offseasons in the weight room and working technique before we entrust him with a job.

Does it suck to be in that spot with a 2nd rounder? Yeah, but at least it’s a guy who could still easily take a starting job in year 3, probably LG. Not all hope is lost.

DJ's left nut · 02-28-2025, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The key difference between Kingsley and your typical raw, young T is the kid was throwing no-hitters. Letting Mahomes get pummeled by pass rushers who were essentially just running a cone.

That’s where I feel like they’re looking at him and saying, he needs at least two offseasons in the weight room and working technique before we entrust him with a job.

Does it suck to be in that spot with a 2nd rounder? Yeah, but at least it’s a guy who could still easily take a starting job in year 3, probably LG. Not all hope is lost.

Against an All Pro caliber DE -- yes.

Against the Ravens, he was fine. Not great, just adequate.

And against the Broncos he was fine except for Bonitto, who kicked his ass. But he neutralized the other Broncos DE pretty well.

I think that's a heck of a lot closer to an ordinary rookie OT learning curve than we want to acknowledge, especially when he was just being left out there on his own. The Madden sliders were set to All Madden for the kid and he just wasn't ready for it.

And man, why should we have expected him to be?

Coaching did him dirty this year, IMO.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 02-28-2025, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Against an All Pro caliber DE -- yes.

Against the Ravens, he was fine. Not great, just adequate.

And against the Broncos he was fine except for Bonitto, who kicked his ass. But he neutralized the other Broncos DE pretty well.

I think that's a heck of a lot closer to an ordinary rookie OT learning curve than we want to acknowledge, especially when he was just being left out there on his own. The Madden sliders were set to All Madden for the kid and he just wasn't ready for it.

And man, why should we have expected him to be?

Coaching did him dirty this year, IMO.

DJLN with the wisdom.

Dude was put on an island with no help against the sack leader, got owned, and was benched.

We put him in a position to fail, and what a surprise, he failed.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-28-2025, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Against an All Pro caliber DE -- yes.

Against the Ravens, he was fine. Not great, just adequate.

And against the Broncos he was fine except for Bonitto, who kicked his ass. But he neutralized the other Broncos DE pretty well.

I think that's a heck of a lot closer to an ordinary rookie OT learning curve than we want to acknowledge, especially when he was just being left out there on his own. The Madden sliders were set to All Madden for the kid and he just wasn't ready for it.

And man, why should we have expected him to be?

Coaching did him dirty this year, IMO.

Coaching did fail him no doubt. And the pressure of the threepeat forced him out of the lineup I fear.

I guess we will see based on their next moves. I just think 2021 taught us to expect them to overcorrect at OL.

GordonGekko · 02-28-2025, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief

Instead of reaching for a TE in the draft, perhaps the Chiefs need to think about replacing their offenseive line coach? Andy would never fire a long time coach, but maybe somebody that does it differant might be due?

And the Offensive Coordinator, it seems complacency has set in and the Chiefs offense has become stale and predictable. No longer a League leading offense but very mediocre, even w/ the best QB in the game. Kind of inexcusable. All offensive stats are down the last couple of years since Nagy rejoined, and they keep trending down. Quality control on offense is bad, too, I point to this year's issues w/ LT & RB for that, why we went into last season with the personnel we had thinking we were good is poor quality control. People say Nagy doesn't do anything and Andy calls all the shots, but for the $millions he is paid quality control at the minimum has to be something he is ultimately responsible for on offense and is on his doorstep.

For offensive line we have to wonder why the young guys (Kingsley, Morris, Caliendo, etc.) none are really excelling, and then guys like Trey Smith and Jawaan Taylor are showing declines as well. In the Superbowl the entire offensive line got handled, inexcusable in such a high stakes game.

DJ's left nut · 02-28-2025, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko

For offensive line we have to wonder why the young guys (Kingsley, Morris, Caliendo, etc.) none are really excelling, and then guys like Trey Smith and Jawaan Taylor are showing declines as well. In the Superbowl the entire offensive line got handled, inexcusable in such a high stakes game.

No we don't.

One was a late 2nd. One was a late 3rd. One was a UDFA. A couple others were 3rd day picks.

And they're in their first or 2nd years.

Morris, as a late 3rd rounder, has FAR exceeded what one could've reasonably expected from a player taken at that point. The fact that he was able to provide credible performances in about 80% of his NFL starts is pretty damn impressive. The fact that he's started at all in meaningful games for a contender as a rookie/soph is also a feather in his cap.

Methinks you've missed my point there entirely.

Expecting ANY of these guys to excel was folly. They weren't blue chippers. They weren't given training wheels. They were all flawed prospects, some of them are fringe NFL guys at best, who were thrown to the fire.

No, we don't have to wonder why they haven't been superlative. We have to wonder why we ever thought they should have been.

-King- · 02-28-2025, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The key difference between Kingsley and your typical raw, young T is the kid was throwing no-hitters. Letting Mahomes get pummeled by pass rushers who were essentially just running a cone.

That’s where I feel like they’re looking at him and saying, he needs at least two offseasons in the weight room and working technique before we entrust him with a job.

Does it suck to be in that spot with a 2nd rounder? Yeah, but at least it’s a guy who could still easily take a starting job in year 3, probably LG. Not all hope is lost.

If they thought he was really going to be a guard of the future, they would have made him the RG this year.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-28-2025, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

If they thought he was really going to be a guard of the future, they would have made him the RG this year.

Not if they think Thuney is only here another year.

Kingsley played LG at Denver.

Lucsky · 02-28-2025, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Against an All Pro caliber DE -- yes.

Against the Ravens, he was fine. Not great, just adequate.

And against the Broncos he was fine except for Bonitto, who kicked his ass. But he neutralized the other Broncos DE pretty well.

I think that's a heck of a lot closer to an ordinary rookie OT learning curve than we want to acknowledge, especially when he was just being left out there on his own. The Madden sliders were set to All Madden for the kid and he just wasn't ready for it.

And man, why should we have expected him to be?

Coaching did him dirty this year, IMO.

This for me is what I don't quite understand, I don't watch many full games outside of the Chiefs (red zone yes but that's not games), so its hard for me to compare with how other good tackles in the league started their careers.

Is it really common for a good tackle prospect to not be able to put a hand on a rusher repeatedly over and over again? like it happened with Bonito? I have watched the Broncos a couple of times outside of the chiefs but never saw Bonito fly by the OT like that. It's an honest question for better trained eyes than mine. Is there really hope that he could become a top 15 LT?

htismaqe · 02-28-2025, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucsky

This for me is what I don't quite understand, I don't watch many full games outside of the Chiefs (red zone yes but that's not games), so its hard for me to compare with how other good tackles in the league started their careers.

Is it really common for a good tackle prospect to not be able to put a hand on a rusher repeatedly over and over again? like it happened with Bonito? I have watched the Broncos a couple of times outside of the chiefs but never saw Bonito fly by the OT like that. It's an honest question for better trained eyes than mine. Is there really hope that he could become a top 15 LT?

Is it common? Yes.

Is there hope for Kingsley? Yes

-King- · 02-28-2025, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Not if they think Thuney is only here another year.

Kingsley played LG at Denver.

So Kingsley is only good enough to play one guard position? The simplest positions on offense?

There's no way if they thought Kingsley could play guard at all they would rather spend $23mil to franchise Trey.

DJ's left nut · 02-28-2025, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Is it common? Yes.

Is there hope for Kingsley? Yes

Yeah - I just keep coming back to Charles Leno for this one.

Leno got his ass kicked as bad/worse than Kingsley did. On national television in prime time. He was a HORRIFIC display for a rookie (hell, it may have even been his 2nd year) that clearly wasn't ready for the moment.

And within 2 seasons he was among the better LTs in the game. Not elite, but certainly above average.

And there's also a distinction between a guy who was a 2nd round pick because of a lower ceiling (Morse is always my go-to example here; Bolton is another one) and one who was a 2nd rounder because of a virtually non-existent floor (this is where the bulk of 2nd round picks actually tend to fall).

Those guys who are low floor guys are going to have HORRIFYING moments of ineffectiveness as they learn. Why? Because if they didn't have to learn, with the ceiling and traits they have, they'd have been top 10 picks. Those moments were priced into the acquisition cost.

We took a low floor, high ceiling player and then held him to the short term standard of a low ceiling, high floor player.

We just ****ed that up. The fans did. The coaches did. Nothing about the Kingsley situation was handled correctly last season, IMO.

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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $7059447	The key difference between Kingsley and your typical raw, young T is the kid was throwing no-hitters. Letting Mahomes get pummeled by pass rushers who were essentially just running a cone. That’s where I feel like they’re looking at him and saying, he needs at least two offseasons in the weight room and working technique before we entrust him with a job. Does it suck to be in that spot with a 2nd rounder? Yeah, but at least it’s a guy who could still easily take a starting job in year 3, probably LG. Not all hope is lost.
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