Offseason Changes and/or concerns about tonight’s game.

[TripleThreat]

I think tonight showed just how oblivious we have all been (rose colored glasses perhaps?) on how bad our offense has been all season, i.e. gifted wins like the dumb ass raiders losing the game without stoping the clock, missed 25 yd field goals… our record did not reflect the truth of this team, we SHOULD have lost to some pretty bad teams….

From here, where do we go?? I think the Oline is clearly an issue, not having rice tonight is also being blatantly exposed as a weakness at WR. Every play “everyone’s covered” along with the Oline just shitting the bed… so, what do we do?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

Yeah I agree. I think Mahomes is still hungover from the shit he had to deal with last year. I know he’s not the most accurate deep thrower but it looked like he’s been battling the yips all year. And we all know he’s been missing or hesitating on throws we know he can make. It still feels like his issues are way more mental than they are ability. We probably need to overcorrection him to get him out of his funk. And once we do, I think he’s set for a while

If I’m being an optimist maybe this lights a fire that we had a great run with being just good enough to not lose. But we’ve gotta get Mahomes back to not just finding ways to win… we need him to reincarnate john wick again

[Sassy Squatch]

Oof. Didn't realize Robinson was that bad. ****, that would've been the ideal pick up but that's just not going to cut it.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by kccrow

If we want a LT, we really need to get that guy in the draft.

Guarantee you the top 3-4 LTs will be gone by #31. Like QB, it is a premium position and teams will reach for them.

It's just poor planning by Veach. he should have had a LT ready to go when Orlando left.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Guarantee you the top 3-4 LTs will be gone by #31. Like QB, it is a premium position and teams will reach for them.

It's just poor planning by Veach. he should have had a LT ready to go when Orlando left.

Yep, which means bucking up and trading away some capital and even a player potentially. Veach went up to 21 for a CB, he can sure as **** put on those brass balls and get into the top-15 for a LT.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Folks are bagging on Kelce because he was absolutely ****ing atrocious last night. He makes just one of the plays he completely buffed in the first half and the game may not get out of hand as quickly as it did. Same for Mahomes. Love those two but that first half was some of the worst football of both their respective careers.

He had a bad game and he deserves to wear it. That is different from people acting like he was a waste of space and that we hope he retires. Or that he’s too slow to be effective. He still has enough juice to be effective in a way more secondary role. We have to accept that in this stage of his career he will probably be more of a role player and every bit of what Philly wanted to do was bad for his role. He needs to be downfield and reading defenses and there was just no way he was gonna do that because our OL was so outmatched

[Sassy Squatch]

Not exactly eager for him to **** off or anything but unfortunately this roster probably would be better served long term if he does hang them up, unless he's willing to take a significant reduction in pay which really isn't all that fair to ask of him.

[SHOWTIME]

Kelce didn't even get the 3 receptions last night he needed to tie Jerry Rice...I doubt he's going to retire going out like that.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The only reason this game got away comes back to Patrick mentally being uncomfortable.

We can be mad about that all we want, but that’s where it is. So if you gotta make huge offensive line changes to fix it, so ****ing be it.

Yes we need to fix things, but the Eagles were just better. We looked like chit because their defense put us there. Defense wins Championships.

[crayzkirk]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A good amount of Philly's team didn't come from the bottom of rounds of drafting as KC has endured for the past 6 years of picking 30-32.

This is their last 6 years, most of which are mid-round or higher picks...

2020 - 21st overall, took Jaelen Reagor
2021 - 6th overall, traded down to Miami for 12th overall and got a 1st in 2022 as part of that trade. They traded up from 12 to 10 with Dallas to take DeVonta Smith.
2022 - 15th overall from Miami from 2021 trade, 16th overall from Colts from trade of Wentz, and 19th overall. they traded up from 15th overall to 13th to get Jordan Davis. They sent 16 and 19 to the Saints for 18 and a 2023 1st and 2024 2nd. They traded that 18 to the Titans for AJ Brown
2023 - 10th overall from Saints and 30th overall. They traded 10 to the Bears at #9 to move up and get Jalen Carter. They took Nolan Smith at 30.
2024 - 22nd overall. They took Quinyon Mitchell

Their offensive line isn't a product of a bunch of #1 picks either...

They drafted Lane Johnson in the 1st in 2013 but Jurgens and Dickerson came from the 2nd round, Becton was a FA, and Mailata came from the 7th round. Dickerson was a high 2nd in the 2021 draft, the year after they sucked and got the 6th overall pick. Getting really lucky with Mailata makes a lot of issues go away.


Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

Thanks for the information, unfortunately for the Chiefs, this is how the NFL is supposed to work. Sustained success leads to less quality players in the draft.

When draft capital becomes so valuable, mistakes like Clyde, Skyy, etc. can really set a team back.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wearing my optimist hat…
Another thing that may help is that we are no longer the hunted. I think mission #1 for most teams especially in the nfc is stopping the run. Get some size, maybe sacrifice some speed, maybe sacrifice some guys in coverage. The top focus is going to be stopping guys like saquon, Gibbs/montgomery, Henry.

I think spags was way way ahead of the game from that end. His priority was clearly stopping the run and it showed. Our defense was mostly solid despite the blowout.

That plays more to our strengths on offense.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Kelce didn't even get the 3 receptions last night he needed to tie Jerry Rice...I doubt he's going to retire going out like that.

Yes he did. He needed 2 to tie and got 4. He's the all-time leader in Super Bowl receptions now with 35.

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wearing my optimist hat…
Another thing that may help is that we are no longer the hunted. I think mission #1 for most teams especially in the nfc is stopping the run. Get some size, maybe sacrifice some speed, maybe sacrifice some guys in coverage. The top focus is going to be stopping guys like saquon, Gibbs/montgomery, Henry.

I think spags was way way ahead of the game from that end. His priority was clearly stopping the run and it showed. Our defense was mostly solid despite the blowout.

That plays more to our strengths on offense.

Yes the defense played a good game. They just had to play the whole game in one half cause the offense couldn't sustain a drive. They got tired and started to press to make a play in the 2nd half.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Yes he did. He needed 2 to tie and got 4. He's the all-time leader in Super Bowl receptions now with 35.

He did? my bad...

[duncan_idaho]

Looking at draft capital and picks, the Falcons could be a good trade partner for KC.

Would get you to #15 in the first if you can do it. Cost is 2025 1 + 2025 2 (or 2025 TEN 3) + a 2026 pick.

If you're the Chiefs and there's a T you're convinced can get the job done at LT long-term, you have to try that. Could hurt early in 2025 and could backfire huge (if you miss, it's a devastating miss that kills your window for a bit).

I think you're signing a veteran stop-gap to give you some "floor" no matter what. That probably is D.J. Humphries.

You're likely going to have to let Trey Smith walk in this scenario, because you're going to need to spend cap to cover for the small draft class and fill in the roster.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Looking at draft capital and picks, the Falcons could be a good trade partner for KC.

Would get you to #15 in the first if you can do it. Cost is 2025 1 + 2025 2 (or 2025 TEN 3) + a 2026 pick.

If you're the Chiefs and there's a T you're convinced can get the job done at LT long-term, you have to try that. Could hurt early in 2025 and could backfire huge (if you miss, it's a devastating miss that kills your window for a bit).

I think you're signing a veteran stop-gap to give you some "floor" no matter what. That probably is D.J. Humphries.

You're likely going to have to let Trey Smith walk in this scenario, because you're going to need to spend cap to cover for the small draft class and fill in the roster.

I think you recoup the failed investment in Suamataia some by letting him take the reins at RG, and maybe Morris is eventually able to be penciled in as the replacement at RT for Taylor and you have some cheaper in house options allowing you to spend money and picks elsewhere.