Offseason Changes and/or concerns about tonight’s game.

[TripleThreat]

I think tonight showed just how oblivious we have all been (rose colored glasses perhaps?) on how bad our offense has been all season, i.e. gifted wins like the dumb ass raiders losing the game without stoping the clock, missed 25 yd field goals… our record did not reflect the truth of this team, we SHOULD have lost to some pretty bad teams….

From here, where do we go?? I think the Oline is clearly an issue, not having rice tonight is also being blatantly exposed as a weakness at WR. Every play “everyone’s covered” along with the Oline just shitting the bed… so, what do we do?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

[stevieray]

The Kelce/Mahomes era is over.

Rode that wave all the way to the shore.

I think they were mentally and physically exhausted.

[Sassy Squatch]

Kelce relegating to the third option isn't too bad, I guess.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

Last night was a reminder though that if Ronnie Stanley is available, we’re going to have to strongly consider paying him whatever it takes. Not coming out of this offseason without a legit answer at LT is not an option.

Everything else is secondary.

[O.city]

Well guys.....I dunno about "blowing it up" they just lost a SB....their 3rd straight appearance.

They seem to have a pretty good idea of what they're doing. They just ran into a buzz saw.....Howie also knows what he's doing.

They'll keep adding.

Enjoy the offseason guys, I'm out for a while.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

Totally agree it's LT and work out the rest later, but given how many FAs we have I'm not convinced that doesn't end up with us blowing it all up, effectively.

I'd try and pay Stanley. I'd imagine that would mean getting cheaper than some combination of Omenihu, DHop, Brown and Reid, and not paying Trey and Bolton. To pay Stanley we'll surely need to trim a lot of fat and see a fair few walk.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

This all day long.

There’s gonna be some overreactions saying we need to blow it all up, and I’m not there.

We have the weapons largely in place to make another run aside from securing WR3 and RB, which can be done outside of the first two rounds easily.

If LT is simply a trustworthy player, and LG too with Thuney back there, the offense gets back to elite production levels.

This is correct.

Just getting Rice back and moving Thuney back inside are huge. I’d like to see what Hollywood could do on another cheap deal if possible.

RB is a problem, but that’s a fairly quick one to fix.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

This is correct.

Just getting Rice back and moving Thuney back inside are huge. I’d like to see what Hollywood could do on another cheap deal if possible.

RB is a problem, but that’s a fairly quick one to fix.

Draft Treyevon Henderson. That'd do it.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Again, in a year in which by game 4 we had lost WR1 AND WR2, and in which plan A and plan B at LT had cratered.

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is a take based on emotion.

The reality is, even at his age, Kelce caught 97 balls in a year with WR1 and WR2 on IR by week 4 with plan A and plan B failing at left tackle.

Kelce, even now, is a top 5 TE. He's just no longer the equivalent of a #1WR. Kelce retiring (if he does) leaves another hole. Now, maybe Gray can give you 80% of current Kelce with Rice and Worthy fully integrated, and that'll play.

But no, Kelce is not a liability. That's nonsense.

Yeah I don’t get the bagging on kelce. He’s not the same TE he used to be. That doesn’t mean he isn’t still very good. Hes still a boulder to take down when the balls in his hands. And his superpower is reading the defense and finding a spot to sit and He’s not gonna do much when the only pass you have time for is a quick te screen that the defense is sitting on. I’m even wondering how much peak kelce helps last night.

Continue relegating him to a smaller role. Getting rashee back helps big time. Get OL help so he can be a weapon in scramble drill. Get an OL so our TEs don’t have to keep chipping and we can get more guys out on routes. He will still be great but we have to accept that he plays a secondary role. I do hope he adjusts his contract because he’s probably not worth that anymore. But that’s the only small reason if any I wouldn’t want him back

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The receivers were crap in 2022 and we led the league in offense. I get your point -- our WRs will be fine, but last night showed it's not really going to matter unless we get the line fixed and Mahomes settled down.

That’s apples to oranges a little, Mahomes spent all of camp and summer working with those 2022 receivers.

This year, the guys he did all that work with were gonna by week 4.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Last night was a reminder though that if Ronnie Stanley is available, we’re going to have to strongly consider paying him whatever it takes. Not coming out of this offseason without a legit answer at LT is not an option.

Everything else is secondary.

I thought he wasn't going to be an option, but his projected contract appears to be about $20M a year, which is doable...

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah I don’t get the bagging on kelce. He’s not the same TE he used to be. That doesn’t mean he isn’t still very good. Hes still a boulder to take down when the balls in his hands. And his superpower is reading the defense and finding a spot to sit and He’s not gonna do much when the only pass you have time for is a quick te screen that the defense is sitting on. I’m even wondering how much peak kelce helps last night.

Continue relegating him to a smaller role. Getting rashee back helps big time. Get OL help so he can be a weapon in scramble drill. Get an OL so our TEs don’t have to keep chipping and we can get more guys out on routes. He will still be great but we have to accept that he plays a secondary role. I do hope he adjusts his contract because he’s probably not worth that anymore. But that’s the only small reason if any I wouldn’t want him back

Folks are bagging on Kelce because he was absolutely ****ing atrocious last night. He makes just one of the plays he completely buffed in the first half and the game may not get out of hand as quickly as it did. Same for Mahomes. Love those two but that first half was some of the worst football of both their respective careers.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Ronnie Stanley is probably the only really good immediate fix available, but he's going to get paid a lot. It's going to be a quiet FA for KC and they are just going to have to rely on the draft again.

It's so hard to imagine teams giving up these guys to FA willingly.

The Ravens have nobody waiting to replace Stanley. They probably franchise him and look for a long-term replacement soon. A guy like Ersery fits them well.

The Rams don't have anyone to replace Alaric Jackson. I'd imagine they keep him. Joe Noteboom isn't the answer behind him, he can't even stay healthy plus he's a FA too.

So now you're down to probably Cam Robinson, Dan Moore, Jedrick Wills, and Tyron Smith.

Do we want to tie up money into Robinson or Moore? Those guys are sieves themselves. Robinson had 52 pressures allowed (8.2%), including 7 sacks, and 13 penalties this year. Moore had 41 pressures allowed (6.7%), including 12 sacks, and 5 penalties this year. For reference, Wanya Morris had 35 pressures (7.7%), including 5 sacks, and 11 penalties. Looking at the other side, Jawaan Taylor had 37 pressures (5.3%), including 7 sacks, and 17 penalties. Those guys aren't making us better at LT over Wanya, really.

Wills is total shit. Tyron Smith is 35 and washed.


If we want a LT, we really need to get that guy in the draft.