Offseason Changes and/or concerns about tonight’s game.

[TripleThreat]

I think tonight showed just how oblivious we have all been (rose colored glasses perhaps?) on how bad our offense has been all season, i.e. gifted wins like the dumb ass raiders losing the game without stoping the clock, missed 25 yd field goals… our record did not reflect the truth of this team, we SHOULD have lost to some pretty bad teams….

From here, where do we go?? I think the Oline is clearly an issue, not having rice tonight is also being blatantly exposed as a weakness at WR. Every play “everyone’s covered” along with the Oline just shitting the bed… so, what do we do?

[Red Dawg]

Who the hell knows what they do. OL is probably priority one but with our money situation probably a 2 year issue.

[Red Dawg]

Everything starts at LOS. We h a vr seen that many times over on both sides. Get better fatties.

[milkshock]

Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady

Gosh, I hope not. He wasn't nearly as effective as in years past. I don't blame him because he's taken physical beatings out on the field for years. It's time for him to retire. And if he doesn't retire he is not doing the Chiefs any favors.

97 regular season catches, no idea how you can say 'he isnt doing us any favours' because I don't know of any player who is going to replace that kind of production that we can sign.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady

Gosh, I hope not. He wasn't nearly as effective as in years past. I don't blame him because he's taken physical beatings out on the field for years. It's time for him to retire. And if he doesn't retire he is not doing the Chiefs any favors.

He caught 97 balls in the regular season.


in a year in which we played four left tackles, lost our first and second WR's and were working a rookie in.

He still caught 97 balls.

If Kelce wants to retire, I don't blame him.

But to pretend that he is somehow an ineffective TE, even at this age, is ****ing nonsense.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by Best22

We need a go-to guy to throw to

Mahomes needs to be more consistent. Hopefully this loss gives him a new focus

We have one, he got hurt

[FringeNC]

The first thing the Chiefs have to do is internally acknowledge just how bad the offense was this year (*well* below NFL average), not sugarcoat it, and then go from there and try to fix the problems. Don't pretend it was just a bad game.

Last night was kind of a replay of the Cleveland game, except Philly didn't turn it over 7 times or whatever, but on D, they played near the LOS and clogged the short passing stuff and stuffed the run.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He caught 97 balls in the regular season.


in a year in which we played four left tackles, lost our first and second WR's and were working a rookie in.

He still caught 97 balls.

If Kelce wants to retire, I don't blame him.

But to pretend that he is somehow an ineffective TE, even at this age, is ****ing nonsense.

This is the mentality that keeps players hanging around too long. It's time for him to go and for us to move on. We have gotten out of him more than we should have. His stats are not the issue. It's a young man's game.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

A good amount of Philly's team didn't come from the bottom of rounds of drafting as KC has endured for the past 6 years of picking 30-32.

This is their last 6 years, most of which are mid-round or higher picks...

2020 - 21st overall, took Jaelen Reagor
2021 - 6th overall, traded down to Miami for 12th overall and got a 1st in 2022 as part of that trade. They traded up from 12 to 10 with Dallas to take DeVonta Smith.
2022 - 15th overall from Miami from 2021 trade, 16th overall from Colts from trade of Wentz, and 19th overall. they traded up from 15th overall to 13th to get Jordan Davis. They sent 16 and 19 to the Saints for 18 and a 2023 1st and 2024 2nd. They traded that 18 to the Titans for AJ Brown
2023 - 10th overall from Saints and 30th overall. They traded 10 to the Bears at #9 to move up and get Jalen Carter. They took Nolan Smith at 30.
2024 - 22nd overall. They took Quinyon Mitchell

Their offensive line isn't a product of a bunch of #1 picks either...

They drafted Lane Johnson in the 1st in 2013 but Jurgens and Dickerson came from the 2nd round, Becton was a FA, and Mailata came from the 7th round. Dickerson was a high 2nd in the 2021 draft, the year after they sucked and got the 6th overall pick. Getting really lucky with Mailata makes a lot of issues go away.


Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

[kccrow]

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by kccrow

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Howie has been aggressive with some contracts and some free agents but has had much better draft capital than Veach to work with.

This is why I’ve been kicking the idea around of trading away one of the ascending players.

We’ve made a lot of those small moves that have lost late picks, so Veach has fewer and fewer lottery tickets in the draft.

At some point, the Chiefs need another 2022 draft that’s loaded with picks. That only happens through trading a Tyreek Hill and moving down when appropriate.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

Chiefs didn’t have major IOL pressure issues until Thuney kicked out.

Fix LT and you fix two issues.

Smith may well have a replacement on the roster already.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The first thing the Chiefs have to do is internally acknowledge just how bad the offense was this year (*well* below NFL average), not sugarcoat it, and then go from there and try to fix the problems. Don't pretend it was just a bad game.

Last night was kind of a replay of the Cleveland game, except Philly didn't turn it over 7 times or whatever, but on D, they played near the LOS and clogged the short passing stuff and stuffed the run.

Again, in a year in which by game 4 we had lost WR1 AND WR2, and in which plan A and plan B at LT had cratered.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I don't understand how teams are able to build dominant lines while drafting fairly high. Yes, the Eagles had a somewhat down year last year however the year before, they were the runner up. Somehow, they were able to rebuild both lines, acquire Barkley and pay everyone.

Someone please explain it to me because this isn't supposed to be possible. The Chiefs have invested a tone of money in free agency and it seems like a poor choice. I like Chris Hones however he's an aging player that is costing a lot of money. Unfortunately, I see the Chiefs having a lot of cap issues moving forward.

It’s possible to draft good IOL in the 2nd and 3rd round if you scout well. The Eagles did that.

Their stud RT is the same age as Eric Fisher and was drafted in the top 5 of his draft.

They hit an absolute home run longshot with Jordan Mailata at LT.

Much easier to fortify an OL that is strong at the T spot than to make the T spot a strength.

Philly also benefited from Jalen Carter sliding because of his bad behavior. And drafted well on top of that.

Their front office + owner combo is top notch, too.

Their owner also splashes more cash around.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

This is the mentality that keeps players hanging around too long. It's time for him to go and for us to move on. We have gotten out of him more than we should have. His stats are not the issue. It's a young man's game.

This is a take based on emotion.

The reality is, even at his age, Kelce caught 97 balls in a year with WR1 and WR2 on IR by week 4 with plan A and plan B failing at left tackle.

Kelce, even now, is a top 5 TE. He's just no longer the equivalent of a #1WR. Kelce retiring (if he does) leaves another hole. Now, maybe Gray can give you 80% of current Kelce with Rice and Worthy fully integrated, and that'll play.

But no, Kelce is not a liability. That's nonsense.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only concern this front office should have is finding a way to fix the LT issue. Nothing else is anywhere near as important. Whatever it takes to get a dude, do it. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

If you have to give up two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to get up to 10 or whatever it might be for Simmons or two 1s and a 3 to get up to 16 for Conerly, anything. Just do what it takes for the guy. You can bandaid other spots, you can't bandaid LT.

I was with you until last night. Unfortunately the roster concerns top to bottom aren't as overblown as I though they were. A couple mediocre drafts in 23 and 24 is catching up fast.