BURROWHEAD: Bengals talking a lot of sh1ttttt

[NIUhuskies]

I love that are doing this. Probably not smart to poke the bear

Spoiler!

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— ZIM (@zimwhodey) January 24, 2023

Willie just posted this one on his story

I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.

— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) January 23, 2023

AU_wde_2 posted [Willie Gay on IG] Taking some bulletin board material from Brett Kollmann https://t.co/NclopGIsUv https://t.co/gLVGqLP4N2

— r/KansasCityChiefs (@ChiefsOnReddit) January 24, 2023

I appreciate a good troll job….hats off to Cincinnati…definitely the only time I’m saying it. #ArrowheadInvitational #burrowhead #ChiefsKingdom #whodey #bengals pic.twitter.com/SH2tT9z4Or

— Bean (@JoeyFakaBean) January 24, 2023

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

I'd be embarrassed to talk up a team and QB that has always failed to get it done, but here you are.

Well, it's because i'm a man, son.

[Hammock Parties]

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Just watched the highlights from the Week 2 game. Crazy game. Burrow and that Bengals team have been a great rival - and you can tell that unlike the friendship Mahomes has with Allen, Patrick and Burrow seem to really get under each other’s skin. That win ended up being significant. Burrow’s Bengals would have had a real shot to take out Allen and the Bills in a 2-7 matchup. The Bengals also likely keep Lou if they made it to the postseason.

I would think the Bengals have to keep two of Chase, Hendrickson and Higgins to keep the band together. If they only keep Chase, they’re at risk of giving up an all time fumble of what should have been a Super Bowl winning team (the Rams had a MASH unit on O and only Stafford & Kupp - and then a year later the Chiefs had a MASH unit on O with an injured Patrick and Kelce - they had a title right there and couldn’t get it done).

Would the 90’s Pacers be a comp for them if they don’t get a ring out of this team?

I would absolutely keep Hendrickson and Chase. This is about Higgins. You just can't pay WR1 money to a WR2 and expect to fill all the other areas on the field. You have to allow for evaluation failures because even the best front offices miss on draft picks.

[rfaulk34]

It's not signing bonuses and it never has been. It's the guaranteed money.

Escrow, signing bonus, number of years, big money contracts. They do that stuff. What they don't like to do is big money guarantees for multiple years. They can't stand the thought that they would have to pay for someone if they weren't getting some kind of production from them.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

It's not signing bonuses and it never has been. It's the guaranteed money.

Escrow, signing bonus, number of years, big money contracts. They do that stuff. What they don't like to do is big money guarantees for multiple years. They can't stand the thought that they would have to pay for someone if they weren't getting some kind of production from them.

Signing bonuses are guaranteed money. Full stop.

[FlaChief58]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Well, it's because i'm a man, son.

via GIFER

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Signing bonuses are guaranteed money. Full stop.

Signing bonus is an up front payment that the team is allowed to spread over a maximum of 5 years for "cap reasons". It's basically considered part of the contract that you give at the time of signing.

Guaranteed money is money that you may potentally pay for little or no production, ala Deshaun Watson. The Browns gave gotten nearly nothing for all that money. That's exactly the type of thing that gives the Bengals FO hives. They simply do not want to take that chance, like other teams readily do.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Signing bonus is an up front payment that the team is allowed to spread over a maximum of 5 years for "cap reasons". It's basically considered part of the contract that you give at the time of signing.

Guaranteed money is money that you may potentally pay for little or no production, ala Deshaun Watson. The Browns gave gotten nearly nothing for all that money. That's exactly the type of thing that gives the Bengals FO hives. They simply do not want to take that chance, like other teams readily do.

The signing bonus isn't paid in installments. They prorate the bonus over the length of the contract for the purposes of figuring the cap allocation.

A signing bonus, by definition, is paid when the player signs their contract. The instant they sign the contract, that signing bonus is paid to them in full. Teams can use roster bonuses to move bonuses to future years but signing bonuses are signing bonuses.

The Browns probably can't pay out that much cash all at once without taking out a damn loan. We could be talking close to a half billion dollars for these 3 players.

[New World Order]

What a sham.

Lamar had the most impressive year by a Qb in NFL history

He should have won

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Signing bonus is an up front payment that the team is allowed to spread over a maximum of 5 years for "cap reasons". It's basically considered part of the contract that you give at the time of signing.

Guaranteed money is money that you may potentally pay for little or no production, ala Deshaun Watson. The Browns gave gotten nearly nothing for all that money. That's exactly the type of thing that gives the Bengals FO hives. They simply do not want to take that chance, like other teams readily do.

Fauker, your qb is gay.

Get over it

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The signing bonus isn't paid in installments. They prorate the bonus over the length of the contract for the purposes of figuring the cap allocation.

A signing bonus, by definition, is paid when the player signs their contract. The instant they sign the contract, that signing bonus is paid to them in full. Teams can use roster bonuses to move bonuses to future years but signing bonuses are signing bonuses.

The Browns probably can't pay out that much cash all at once without taking out a damn loan. We could be talking close to a half billion dollars for these 3 players.

That's what i said.

I'm not quite sure how you came up with 500M for 3 players (assuming you're talking about bonuses and guarantees), since the entirety of the 3 contracts would probably fall a bit short of that, but they have enough money for what they would actually have to pay.

[rfaulk34]

Just to argue whether or not it could be done, here is the AAV at time of signing for the top 5 salaries of each NFL team.



Actual cap hits for '25 are:
Burrow - 46M
Chase - 22M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 19M
OBj - 15M
Total - 128M

If Burrow restructures, the actual cap hits will be more like
Burrow - 30M
Chase - 10M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 20M
OBj - 15M
Total - 101M

30M would be a ceiling for a new Burrow contract. Could go down to 19M or so. The Chase contract would be sub 20M for the first 2 years before going up and the Tee contract would be the reverse--big money early then dwindling later--to stack so the contracts don't hit big in the same year. The cap goes up each year and the Bengals will have 44Mish this year + another 30Mish after a couple cuts.

The problem is, they're going to need to stop being dumb and realize you only have a short time to take advantage of an elite QB and they've already wasted 5 years of his career with nothing to show. They need to be willing to push money, use void years and pay guarantees.

Priority 1 and 1A will the improvements to the Oline--they need 2 new guards--and then the D, where they need 3 new guys. You could argue, since they have guys coming off SE injuries, they could just go after 1 guy for the Dline and a safety. After OBj's 15M, they have 2 guys making 10M per and one of them could be cut. Rankins will be gone.

If we're talking, is it a good idea to sign Ja'Marr, Tee and Trey to raises, the answer is 'not really' but if we're talking can they do it, the answer is yeah, they can.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Just to argue whether or not it could be done, here is the AAV at time of signing for the top 5 salaries of each NFL team.



Actual cap hits for '25 are:
Burrow - 46M
Chase - 22M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 19M
OBj - 15M
Total - 128M

If Burrow restructures, the actual cap hits will be more like
Burrow - 30M
Chase - 10M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 20M
OBj - 15M
Total - 101M

30M would be a ceiling for a new Burrow contract. Could go down to 19M or so. The Chase contract would be sub 20M for the first 2 years before going up and the Tee contract would be the reverse--big money early then dwindling later--to stack so the contracts don't hit big in the same year. The cap goes up each year and the Bengals will have 44Mish this year + another 30Mish after a couple cuts.

The problem is, they're going to need to stop being dumb and realize you only have a short time to take advantage of an elite QB and they've already wasted 5 years of his career with nothing to show. They need to be willing to push money, use void years and pay guarantees.

Priority 1 and 1A will the improvements to the Oline--they need 2 new guards--and then the D, where they need 3 new guys. You could argue, since they have guys coming off SE injuries, they could just go after 1 guy for the Dline and a safety. After OBj's 15M, they have 2 guys making 10M per and one of them could be cut. Rankins will be gone.

If we're talking, is it a good idea to sign Ja'Marr, Tee and Trey to raises, the answer is 'not really' but if we're talking can they do it, the answer is yeah, they can.

I literally haven't read your post, but I think you and htismaqe are talking about different things, you are talking cap and he is talking cash - the owner has to have the actual cash in hand to pay bonuses on the signing date AND all guaranteed money for the life of a contract has to go in escrow, on the signing date. It's probably where the 500m figure was coming from.

[Red Dawg]

Joe telling his GM to find the money for his 2wrs and his DE is pure awsome. If they do it will menace he never gets a ring. Rest of the team will suffer from making such bad decisions

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Just to argue whether or not it could be done, here is the AAV at time of signing for the top 5 salaries of each NFL team.



Actual cap hits for '25 are:
Burrow - 46M
Chase - 22M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 19M
OBj - 15M
Total - 128M

If Burrow restructures, the actual cap hits will be more like
Burrow - 30M
Chase - 10M
Tee - 26M
Trey - 20M
OBj - 15M
Total - 101M

30M would be a ceiling for a new Burrow contract. Could go down to 19M or so. The Chase contract would be sub 20M for the first 2 years before going up and the Tee contract would be the reverse--big money early then dwindling later--to stack so the contracts don't hit big in the same year. The cap goes up each year and the Bengals will have 44Mish this year + another 30Mish after a couple cuts.

The problem is, they're going to need to stop being dumb and realize you only have a short time to take advantage of an elite QB and they've already wasted 5 years of his career with nothing to show. They need to be willing to push money, use void years and pay guarantees.

Priority 1 and 1A will the improvements to the Oline--they need 2 new guards--and then the D, where they need 3 new guys. You could argue, since they have guys coming off SE injuries, they could just go after 1 guy for the Dline and a safety. After OBj's 15M, they have 2 guys making 10M per and one of them could be cut. Rankins will be gone.

If we're talking, is it a good idea to sign Ja'Marr, Tee and Trey to raises, the answer is 'not really' but if we're talking can they do it, the answer is yeah, they can.

Chiefs are coming for Trey this offseason. He will be a thorn in the Been’gals side the entirety of his second contract! Besides wouldn’t you rather him win a championship or 3 instead of being the best player on a bad defense?