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Discussion: All things Broncos.

[jjchieffan]

I didn't misquote you at all. In your post, you showed the history of both teams going back to 1960, then had the audacity to claim dominance in 32 of 42 seasons. SMH. 42 seasons takes out actually history that doesn't support your ridiculous argument. I just pointed that out. From your own words!

[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I didn't even mention the bad ball spots on both 3rd and 4th downs last week ... Imagine what that might've provoked.

I didn't mention how the refs screwed the Bills on those spots ... Sad

Because you have ZERO proof that the Bills got screwed.

1) Kincaid was down by by contact when his left elbow hit the ground on that 3rd down play & the ball was short of the line of gain at that point. There are still images & videos that prove it.
(https)//x(dot)com/DomonicPyle/status/1884718755848028565/photo/1

2) On the 4th down play the overhead camera view shows that Josh Allen is moving SIDEWAYS (ball carrier must be moving forward to some degree for forward progress to count) & when he gets stopped in earnest and the whistle blows, the ball ISN'T at the line of gain to pick up the 1st down.

How does that contrast to the phantom holding call on the successful FG by Stoyanovich & the BLATANT incorrect call on the Tony G. force-out in that '97 playoff debacle that shaved Chiefs points off of the scoreboard?

I'll let others be the judge of that, because you've certainly proven that you don't have any sound judgement.

[Graystoke]

Mods we should Romper this shit before the Super Bowl. I dislike seeing anything Bronco on the 1st page of CP while the Chiefs are on the doorstep of NFL history.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

When did I say Elway was bad? So, by referring to the 60s AFL as minor leagues, you were implying the Len Dawson Chiefs were bad?

Might not have been

Originally Posted by jjchief

I didn't misquote you at all. In your post, you showed the history of both teams going back to 1960, then had the audacity to claim dominance in 32 of 42 seasons. SMH. 42 seasons takes out actually history that doesn't support your ridiculous argument. I just pointed that out. From your own words!

No, something's wrong there. I don't get what you're saying ...

The Chiefs dominated from 1960 to 73. Then the Broncos dominated until 2016. If you disagree with that, fine. Make your case ... (isn't that kind of why most of us are here anyway?)

That is a long time, but Broncos posted the better record 32 years to the Chiefs' 8 (two seasons tied). We won the H2H, and really really clobbered your postseason (to the extent you had one).

AND I SUGGESTED there was a 4-year run where KC finished with the better record 4 years in a row, 1992 to 95. Maybe we can cutout that portion.

I'll do it just for you:

BRONCOS-CHIEFS RIVALRY
1960-73 - Texans/Chiefs dominate
1974-91 - Broncos dominate
1992-95 - Chiefs dominate
1996-16 - Broncos dominate
2017-now - Chiefs dominate

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

Mods we should Romper this shit before the Super Bowl. I dislike seeing anything Bronco on the 1st page of CP while the Chiefs are on the doorstep of NFL history.

Not sure what Romper means, but I agree...

I'll leave voluntarily after one more post about Elway.

It's time-sensitive.

[jjchieffan]

Elway was way overrated. No way that he belongs in the hall of fame. His GM career was even worse. If not more Manning and HGH, he would have never had a winning season.



Did I get it in on time?

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Might not have been





No, something's wrong there. I don't get what you're saying ...

The Chiefs dominated from 1960 to 73. Then the Broncos dominated until 2016. If you disagree with that, fine. Make your case ... (isn't that kind of why most of us are here anyway?)

That is a long time, but Broncos posted the better record 32 years to the Chiefs' 8 (two seasons tied). We won the H2H, and really really clobbered your postseason (to the extent you had one).

AND I SUGGESTED there was a 4-year run where KC finished with the better record 4 years in a row, 1992 to 95. Maybe we can cutout that portion.

I'll do it just for you:

BRONCOS-CHIEFS RIVALRY
1960-73 - Texans/Chiefs dominate
1974-91 - Broncos dominate
1992-95 - Chiefs dominate
1996-16 - Broncos dominate
2017-now - Chiefs dominate

1960-1973 counts whether you want it to or not. So just stop with the 8 years bullshit!

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by brdempsey69

Total BS. The competition in the AFL through its 10-year history was as good as any football fan ever saw.

I worked in Broncos Media Relations a couple years, and KOA Radio after that. I'm glad you liked the competition, but the consensus of those who were there was a little different. Chiefs had a guy named Jim Carr - I think Carr in media relations. He wasn't there, too young, but he told some funny stories ... good stories, not sad ones, just VERY different than the modern NFL.

And yes, Wismer basically went broke waiting for Shea Stadium to open. But Sonny Werblin had plenty'o'cash ...

And what on God's green earth makes you think you can just "look up" whether the Broncos ownership was fiscally healthy or not? Geez, dempsey ... get real. Besides, your own Lamar Hunt confirmed that for me in his book. He'd confirm it for you too if you read it. Lamar Hunt was a great man, and it was a miracle Gerry and Allan Phipps nursed this franchise all the way to merger.

I wonder dempsey, if we weren't dirt poor, would we have an assistant coach, who retired as a player 7 years earlier, suit up at halftime of Week 1, Year 1 because our quarterback sucked? He quarterbacked us for three years. He's all we could afford. And if we weren't dirt poor, would we have bought USED UNIFORMS?! Ugly ones too .....
. .

Oh well ... from the poorest team in football to the richest team in football. Took just 63 years it's 😁

(Guess who the second richest team is? Go ahead, guess?)

[RealSNR]

Both franchises started in the same year. Which one has won more total games?

That's the Chiefs.

Which one has more wins against the other? That's also the Chiefs.

More division titles? Playoff wins? Chiefs.

Super Bowls? ****ing guess.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I just don’t understand debating the full history… it is what it is. I became a fan of Denver in 1984, Elway’s second season when I was 13 and Broncos games were primarily the late game. I don’t have the desire nor the energy to debate anything prior.

But good luck to those that do.

There's nothing to debate.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Both franchises started in the same year. Which one has won more total games?

That's the Chiefs.

Which one has more wins against the other? That's also the Chiefs.

More division titles? Playoff wins? Chiefs.

Super Bowls? ****ing guess.

Now do the most dipshit fan ever...

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

1960-1973 counts whether you want it to or not. So just stop with the 8 years bullshit!

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

ITS RIGHT THERE!!!, I'M COUNTING IT!!!!

________________________

One day about three-four weeks ago, this entire room went attack-dog on Elway, for maybe an hour. The hostility was really meant for me, John was just a proxy for it.

I've been meaning to post these points just to make them clear and because one of them is time-sensitive:

WHEN JOHN ELWAY RETIRED:

1. He had won more games than any quarterback ever
2. He was one of just two QBs to pass for 50,000 career yards (Marino)
3. He was one of just two QBs to throw 300 career TD Passes (Marino)
4. He had started a record FIVE Super Bowls

I'll let you figure out which one is time-sensitive.


BEFORE I GO, EVERYBODY!
I WANNA TAKE A VOTE WHETHER
I SHOULD STAY OR GO ......


just kidding! 😂

Hey, good luck, I hope you win, really

[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I worked in Broncos Media Relations a couple years, and KOA Radio after that. I'm glad you liked the competition, but the consensus of those who were there was a little different. Chiefs had a guy named Jim Carr - I think Carr in media relations. He wasn't there, too young, but he told some funny stories ... good stories, not sad ones, just VERY different than the modern NFL.

And yes, Wismer basically went broke waiting for Shea Stadium to open. But Sonny Werblin had plenty'o'cash ...

And what on God's green earth makes you think you can just "look up" whether the Broncos ownership was fiscally healthy or not? Geez, dempsey ... get real. Besides, your own Lamar Hunt confirmed that for me in his book. He'd confirm it for you too if you read it. Lamar Hunt was a great man, and it was a miracle Gerry and Allan Phipps nursed this franchise all the way to merger.

I wonder dempsey, if we weren't dirt poor, would we have an assistant coach, who retired as a player 7 years earlier, suit up at halftime of Week 1, Year 1 because our quarterback sucked? He quarterbacked us for three years. He's all we could afford. And if we weren't dirt poor, would we have bought USED UNIFORMS?! Ugly ones too .....

None of your stupid blather refutes anything or proves that the Donkeys were the poorest franchise in the AFL from 1960 - 1964 before the $36 mill. TV deal was signed with NBC.

And Frank Tripuka was 33 in 1960, not 37, like you said earlier and all the AFL teams got their QB's in 1960 as FA's.

I suggest you try reading a book called "Sunday's Fools" by Tom Beer, who played TE for the Donks from 1967 -- 1969 and he suggests that the Donks woes during the AFL days were mainly due to stupid personnel decisions made by the Donks coaches & front office and never suggests anything about the Donks being cash-strapped. Beer himself, as a 2nd round pick, signed a 3-yr $92,000 deal after he was drafted in 1967. Donks tried to go on the cheap with their initial offer to Beer of $45,000.

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

One day about three-four weeks ago, this entire room went attack-dog on Elway, for maybe an hour. The hostility was really meant for me, John was just a proxy for it.

I've been meaning to post these points just to make them clear and because one of them is time-sensitive:

WHEN JOHN ELWAY RETIRED:

1. He had won more games than any quarterback ever
2. He was one of just two QBs to pass for 50,000 career yards (Marino)
3. He was one of just two QBs to throw 300 career TD Passes (Marino)
4. He had started a record FIVE Super Bowls

WRONG !! Your Donktard mythology regarding Elway was attacked. The first 3 things on your list are just longevity stats. The 4th thing on your list has been proven that only 3 of those starts were legit.

You've also never had any answer for the following:

Let's compare Elway to his own peers. During John Elway's career (1983 to 1998), there were 19 QBs who started 100+ games. Here is where Elway ranks in major statistical categories:

Completion%: 16th
TD%: 13th
INT%: 10th
Passer Rating: 14th
Yards per Attempt: 10th
Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt: 11th

So if you believe (like many do), that John Elway is one of the top 10 QBs of all time, why wasn't he even statistically a top 10 QB in his own era?

ANSWER: Because Elway was only good to a point & was 2nd-tier and never carried any Donkeys team like DonkeyDuff suggested just recently at Orange Huddle. They carried him. Only thing that Elway ever carried was most likely a turd in his back pocket.

[PHOG]

It's much better when one puts this clown (donkodork) on ignore.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by TEX

Yeah, especially when they started playing games at the same time, in the same league, against the same teams. And every measurable sanctioning body recognizes the games and statistics... But Buffy, being a "Mensa" and all, sees it differently!

Let him have his weird stats. In comparison (counting all AFL/NFL games):

All time wins:

KC: 547
Denver: 518

All time win %:

KC: .553%
Denver: .523%

Head to Head vs division opponents (win %):

KC vs Denver: 73-56 (.556%)
KC vs LV: 73-54-2 (.574%)
KC vs LAC 71-57-1 (.554%)

Denver vs KC (see above)
Denver vs LV: 55-72-2 (.434%)
Denver vs LAC: 72-571-1 (.558%)

Longest H2H win streak:

KC: 16

Years making playoffs:

KC: 27
Denver: 23

Playoff wins:

KC: 26
Denver: 23

Playoff win %:

KC: .553
Denver: .535

Division titles:

KC: 17
Denver: 15

Championships:

KC: 5 (4 SB, 1 AFL)
Denver: 3 (3 SB)

League MVPs (earned while on team):

KC: 2
Denver: 1

SB MVPs (earned while on team):

KC: 3 (and counting)
Denver: 1

Honestly outside of having more SB losses than KC, I can't find anything in which Denver is a superior franchise. I only stopped with the above stats vs deep diving even more.