Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


and don't forget...

Nick Sirianni:

“HEY, I DONT HEAR SHIT ANYMORE, CHIEFS FANS!! SEE YA!!”pic.twitter.com/4XB3msLEUc

— JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) November 22, 2023

[BigAl1966]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eat **** pie queer.

Thank you for that. Well thought out and friendly post.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

That would be my thought. The more reps the better re: Graham.

Especially against our tackles who the speed of Smith may be a concern with.

Power was getting Thuney worse than speed against Houston. But he pretty much owned whoever was opposite of him against Buffalo.

Caliendo dealing with the 3-tech is the biggest worry. At some point both Carter and Williams will absolutely hand him his ass. We need Trey and Taylor to absolutely lock down their side so that Creed can focus some attention on helping out Caliendo.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Brandon Graham coming off IR

He has not been activated for the game. also, he's 36 years old.

[Bob Dole]

I think if we can hold Barkley to under 100 rushing, we win.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

I think if we can hold Barkley to under 100 rushing, we win.

Hold him under 150 and I think we win.

If he only breaks ONE long score, I think we'll be okay.

I just typically have so little worry about losing to RBs in big games because these coaches, even the really good ones (and Sirianni ain't that) just cannot help themselves.

They're gonna **** up a couple of drives even with a dominant running game by trying to force the pass.

If you have Mahomes -- cool, do that. But if you have Barkley and Hurts, you should probably get Barkley 30 touches in the game. I really don't think Sirianni and Moore have the patience and stability for that.

[Megatron96]

Only worry I have with the OL is Caliendo getting trucked consistently. Seeing him get picked up and then carried at high velocity right back into Mahomes was disconcerting to say the least. For that reason alone, I'd rather see DJ at LT and Thuney back at LG, IF Andy feels that DJ is actually ready to play.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Hold him under 150 and I think we win.

If he only breaks ONE long score, I think we'll be okay.

I just typically have so little worry about losing to RBs in big games because these coaches, even the really good ones (and Sirianni ain't that) just cannot help themselves.

They're gonna **** up a couple of drives even with a dominant running game by trying to force the pass.

If you have Mahomes -- cool, do that. But if you have Barkley and Hurts, you should probably get Barkley 30 touches in the game. I really don't think Sirianni and Moore have the patience and stability for that.

Yeah, that seems reasonable. I don't think we can hold Barkley under 100 yds. I feel like it's a given that Barkley will break off at least one long run. That I think we can live with. But if he has multiple long runs and goes over 150, I think we'll probably be in trouble.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Only worry I have with the OL is Caliendo getting trucked consistently. Seeing him get picked up and then carried at high velocity right back into Mahomes was disconcerting to say the least. For that reason alone, I'd rather see DJ at LT and Thuney back at LG, IF Andy feels that DJ is actually ready to play.

Just not gonna happen.

ESPECIALLY not after the game Thuney had at LT. He played really well.

Would I rather have that at LG against these 3-techniques? Yeah, probably. But that's a hell of an ask in a Super Bowl. Because we just never have seen Humphries have a good entire game here.

This isn't a situation like Graham returning where you have a decent idea what he does and where he fits. Humphries, health not even withstanding, is just such a questionmark here.

No, that ship has sailed.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It is and it isn't.

The whole argument about DJ and Thuney boiled down to the idea that DJ whiffing even once could get Pat hurt.

Well, Caliendo had two plays exactly like that last week. In one case, Oliver blew right past him and plastered Mahomes. That can't happen.

Quickest way to the QB is straight up the middle. LTs are more valuable because most pass rushers line up on the outside. If there were more elite pass rushing DTs out there then the focus would change. In some ways it already has with the explosion of the G market.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

>Joins a Chiefs board just this week
>"not a fan of either team btw"
>suggests the 24 defense is "much improved" than 22
>Chiefs fans provide evidence suggesting "not really"
>"U mad bro?" "Inferiority complex much?"

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just not gonna happen.

ESPECIALLY not after the game Thuney had at LT. He played really well.

Would I rather have that at LG against these 3-techniques? Yeah, probably. But that's a hell of an ask in a Super Bowl. Because we just never have seen Humphries have a good entire game here.

This isn't a situation like Graham returning where you have a decent idea what he does and where he fits. Humphries, health not even withstanding, is just such a questionmark here.

No, that ship has sailed.

Yeah, I don't see it as likely either. Just not excited about seeing JC turning Caliendo into his bitch every passing snap. Which is a real possibility.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I do think the Eagles are a little better on the whole.

I also think the Chiefs might be a little worse due to some concerns at CB3/Safety as well as obviously the left side of the OL (Caliendo, primarily).

If both teams play an A game, it's just gonna come down to a play being made or not made somewhere along the way.

But the key is that there are just no guarantees that both teams play an A game. I think if the Eagles have stepped back anywhere its in their coaching staff. I just don't worry as much about Moore or Fangio. And Sirianni is still a clown.

I think the odds of the Eagles playing a great game are lower than they were under the 2022 staff with guys like Kelce and Cox as long-term veteran throughput.

How can KC be looked at as worse when this team has a better record, the offense clearly has way more tools, the defense was full of rookies and Pat was carrying an injury?

That offense was Juju, Watson, MVS, Pacheco, Toney, Kelce and Skyy.

This offense is Worthy, Brown, Hopkins, Juju, Kelce, Gray, Hunt, Watson and Pacheco.

On defense the D-line was Clark, Saunders, Jones and Karloftis

This D-line is Omenihu, Jones, Wharton and Karloftis

The players missing are Sneed and Gay. But this defense and team have way more experience now. The result will be what it will be but I can't agree that on paper the 22 team was better.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Quickest way to the QB is straight up the middle. LTs are more valuable because most pass rushers line up on the outside. If there were more elite pass rushing DTs out there then the focus would change. In some ways it already has with the explosion of the G market.

OTs are more valuable because they have physical traits that allow them to play on the end of the OL.

You can be shorter, slower and less agile and still be a very good IOL through technique and strength.

At OT, you just have to be a physical freak. You have to have the long arms or the incredible footwork - as WELL as the strength and the technique.

OTs are more expensive because they simply require physical traits that are much harder to find. Because in the end they're the hardest guys on the field to provide help for and the hardest guys on the field to hide.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Just not gonna happen.

ESPECIALLY not after the game Thuney had at LT. He played really well.

Would I rather have that at LG against these 3-techniques? Yeah, probably. But that's a hell of an ask in a Super Bowl. Because we just never have seen Humphries have a good entire game here.

This isn't a situation like Graham returning where you have a decent idea what he does and where he fits. Humphries, health not even withstanding, is just such a questionmark here.

No, that ship has sailed.

I'm not fussed about it anymore but I actually think Reid will have to think about it. Because DJ will likely be as healthy as he has been in KC going into the superbowl and the level of competition he would be facing is way lower than it would have been had he played against the Texans. It's a logical move to make considering the stength of the Eagles D-line.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by BigAl1966

If you actually look at the turnovers, most were the result of a huge hit or a peanut punch… The only luck involved was that they did seem to recover a very high percentage of them.

The funny thing about the “live by the turnover, die by the turnover” result is that at some point it runs out. Buffalo found that out as outside of a fumble on a bad handoff, KC played clean so Buffalo could not capitalize on it like they did against the Ravens.