Chris Jones and his 15+ sacks

[Balto]

Jones got his small bonus.

Week 1: 0
Week 2: 1.5
Week 3: 1.0
Week 4: 1.0
Week 5: 1.0
Week 6: 1.0
Week 7: 0
Week 8: 0
Week 9: 0
Week 10: BYE
Week 11: 2
Week 12: 0
Week 13: 0
Week 14: 0
Week 15: 0
Week 16: 1
Week 17: 1
Week 18: 1

Total: 10.5 Sacks

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Yup. And once we lost Waston it really just had a domino effect over the whole defense.

I think what we didn't really consider was the impact it would have on McDuffie's versatility.

Prior to the Watson injury, McDuffie was still being used about 1/3 of the time in the slot, and those are likely usually in those 3rd and short situations that are just killing us right now.

Watson being replaced by Johnson has hurt, for sure. But I think we've seen a real fall off in McDuffie over that period of time as well because he's being used almost exclusively out wide and so teams are attacking that lack of length.

Like you said, it's a real domino effect that's just made everything worse.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

He is the NFL’s Shaq right now.

In his prime, Shaq should’ve fouled out the opposing center by halftime. He was so dominant the refs couldn’t call a foul every trip down the floor.

Aaron Donald dealt with constant double teams/holding as well.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's also a prime reason why you can't rely on defense to really translate from year to year in the NFL. To have a legit elite defense....you need alot of things to go right.

Yep, off the top of my head, Ravens, Bengals and Jets all took a significant step back on defense as well despite retaining the majority of their core players.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Yes outside of Chris but that isn't my point. Chris is eating two guys every play and George is NOT getting there.

We need a 12-15 sack guy at EDGE. George isn't that. Never will be.

He is in his third year, the entire defense is way down on sacks, he has been better than good not great but he is NOT our problem on D. I agree we can't break the bank but I would let Bolton go before Karlaftis at a minimum.

You can't get rid of everyone.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by scho63

He is in his third year, the entire defense is way down on sacks, he has been better than good not great but he is NOT our problem on D. I agree we can't break the bank but I would let Bolton go before Karlaftis at a minimum.

You can't get rid of everyone.

I would think after this season there would be some hard conversation about this because there's some massive holes in this defense now

[RunKC]

Chris Jones has 51 pressures per PFF which is 2nd to Zach Allen who has more pass rush attempts.

The guy is getting double-teamed every play and some plays he’s triple teamed. Gotta have a DE win their 1v1 reps more often like here.

Hilarious watching the Panthers have 3 guys block Chris

Chris Jones going through a gauntlet to get a sack. 3 different guys try to block him at different points. Thankfully Mike Danna wins his one on one. But Jones is a BEAST. #Chiefs #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/4OPNMGTpaq

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) November 26, 2024

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think what we didn't really consider was the impact it would have on McDuffie's versatility.

Prior to the Watson injury, McDuffie was still being used about 1/3 of the time in the slot, and those are likely usually in those 3rd and short situations that are just killing us right now.

Watson being replaced by Johnson has hurt, for sure. But I think we've seen a real fall off in McDuffie over that period of time as well because he's being used almost exclusively out wide and so teams are attacking that lack of length.

Like you said, it's a real domino effect that's just made everything worse.

Said this elsewhere but it's absolutely true McDuffie has been impacted and not been as good. Everything has been impacted, crazy really. The lack of a pass rush is now painfully obvious too as they don't have forever to get home.

[Hammock Parties]

Spags is gonna start rushing 3 on third and long.

You ain't gonna like it but it's coming.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

George is a great DE to have when you have a lockdown secondary.

He’s relentless and he’ll win…eventually.

He just doesn’t win quick very often, which means he can pretty much be negated when the opposing team can get the ball out quick.

He’s a good player and I really like him. I’d like to see us go DB early and often in the next draft. That can help bring out the most in him.

I’d also trade him before that 5th year. I can’t see paying him big money.

Yep, again, said it before about Karlaftis and made the same point re the secondary in another thread. When he wins, he wins slow, and not that often. Solid and a reasonable complementary piece but without pressure elsewhere this is what you get.

The DEs have been incredibly average this year, in FAU's case poor. If Watson is back, McDuffie shifts to slot etc then it'd go a long way. But either way we're going to need to put more resource into the DL, again.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I would think after this season there would be some hard conversation about this because there's some massive holes in this defense now

If O City is right and Karlaftis fetches 20m per year, and I doubt he does, I'd go nowhere near it unless there's a big uptick his last 2 years. He ain't that player.